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A Theological Defense of "Gap Theory"

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ReverendDG
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08-27-2006 7:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 117 by arachnophilia
08-25-2006 3:40 PM

Re: creation stories as art
there was another thread recently where i was discussing the tendencies and evolution of opinions of god in the tanakh. for every argument you can find, there is a counterargument. and while genesis is a relatively new text of the tanakh, it was written to record very, very old traditions of the religion. there is even a good argument that says the people who collected the stories found within the book did not even believe them themselves.
just as an interesting point, arach, i agree with this, as an example i see of the fact they didn't really believe it was the fact that they couldn't find agreement between the two genesis stories, namely if one says they were created equal in one, why did the other say woman was created from man?
from reading, the jews incorpirated a sumarian demon called lilith into thier mythologyand later used her for this. if no one has read about this, the story goes that god created adam and lilith as equals but adam wanted to be above lilith in all things but lilith didn't want to be part of that so using the name of god she left eden and after sometime mated with demons to create a hybrid offspring
to recousel the two myths they created this story of lilith being made with adam and leaving and eve being created in the second story (i think its also an amonishment agenst women trying to be equal to men and what they consider the consiquences of disobaying women)
its amazing how sexist the writers are
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ReverendDG
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08-28-2006 4:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 126 by arachnophilia
08-27-2006 9:46 PM

Re: structure and purpose of genesis
all this really says is that the integrity of the stories was more important than other factors, such as belief. but yes, it is very likely that they did not actually believe the stories they were collecting, and they were merely recording tradition.
i was thinking its much like modern creationism, where people claim it is the same story when its really two and try to rationize why there are two stories while still claiming god-breathed writings
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but the people who originated the stories (independently) likely did believe them.
yes i agree, they did believe in them, the lilith thing is from the talmud
it's not really amazing. we're just so on about how the phrase "manhole cover" is sexist and such these days that when real sexism comes along it suprises us. the ancient hebrew were a patriarchal society. men had a certain role, women had a certain (lesser) role. but the bit about lillith is quite uneccessary. if we're going to treat it as one source, the explanation for male dominance comes at the end of genesis 3 -- when eve is created, she is created to be adam's equal
oh i know, just a bit of ethnocentric values slipped out. as for lillith i'm thinking being that it was a folk-story and part of the oral part of the torah, the bit was just answer after they compiled it and people made this up, to scare chidren since she was said to steal children and to rationize a confusing bit as to why they have two stories about the same event.
hmm i don't agree eve was adams equal she would have also, been created the same way as adam since genesis one says "he created man, both male and female" i would think that was equal being that god didn't just take part of man to create eve as he did in 2. considering the time frame of this, the author didn't think women where equal, so the lilith thing was to show that women wanting to be equal with man in the authors mind was equal to evil and perverse being that her fate was to birth monsters and to be one
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but let me ask you, in hebrew what does help meet translate to?, it sounds like a servent or underling rather than an equal, but maybe my feminism is messing me up
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