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Author Topic:   Your reason for accepting evolution
EighteenDelta
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Message 83 of 111 (432514)
11-06-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Beretta
11-06-2007 8:00 AM


Beretta writes:
There is one actually -creation fits the bill perfectly -a supernatural creator created everything and that's why billions of intermediate (should be there) fossils are missing. Only fully formed creatures with fully formed organs, no half-half anything on its way from leg to wing, reptile lung to bird lung, scales to feathers nothing. Why???
What about half a heart as evidence? Fish have a 2 chambered heart. Mammals and birds have 4 chambered hearts. Reptiles have 3, and there are some amazing transitional aspects to the reptile hearts...
from Wiki writes:
There are some interesting exceptions among reptiles. For instance, crocodilians have an anatomically four-chambered heart that is capable of becoming a functionally three-chamber heart during dives (Mazzotti, 1989 pg 47). Also, it has been discovered that some snake and lizard species (e.g., monitor lizards and pythons) have three-chamber hearts that become functional four-chamber hearts during contraction. This is made possible by a muscular ridge that subdivides the ventricle during ventricular diastole and completely divides it during ventricular systole. Because of this ridge, some of these squamates are capable of producing ventricular pressure differentials that are equivalent to those seen in mammalian and avian hearts (Wang et al, 2003).
As has been stated to you more than once, these things have been predicted by science, but seem to go against the idea of creation since they show transitional forms. Earliest fish = 2, then reptiles = 3 except when they have 4, then birds and mammals = 4. You see the pattern yet?
But you will continue to ignore or outright dismiss these things...
-x

"Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact ” which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!"
-Stephen Jay Gould

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EighteenDelta
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Message 85 of 111 (432520)
11-06-2007 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Beretta
10-30-2007 10:54 AM


How does this information fit your creationist view?
Chromosome 2 is widely accepted to be a result of a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes. [2] The evidence for this includes:
* The correspondence of chromosome 2 to two ape chromosomes. The closest human relative, the chimpanzee, has near-identical DNA sequences to human chromosome 2, but they are found in two separate chromosomes. The same is true of the more distant gorilla and orangutan. [3][4]
* The presence of a vestigial centromere. Normally a chromosome has just one centromere, but in chromosome 2 we see remnants of a second. [5]
* The presence of vestigial telomeres. These are normally found only at the ends of a chromosome, but in chromosome 2 we see additional telomere sequences in the middle. [6]
Chromosome 2 is thus strong evidence in favour of the common descent of humans and other apes. According to researcher J. W. IJdo:
We conclude that the locus cloned in cosmids c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2.
Read and learn...
Chromosome 2 - Wikipedia
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
The evidence is incontrovertibly in support of evolution. Any argument about how a designer would reuse successful designs are bunk because your designer is infinitely powerful, infinitely knowledgeable etc. why would he design these things to look evolved unless he is an asshole, bent on fucking with our heads?
-x
Edited by EighteenDelta, : fixed links

"Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact ” which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!"
-Stephen Jay Gould

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