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Author Topic:   where was the transition within fossil record?? [Stalled: randman]
Percy
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Message 14 of 304 (245178)
09-20-2005 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Eledhan
09-20-2005 12:45 PM


Eledhan writes:
It is impossible for ANY fossil to count for evidence of evolution. Why? Because scientists, historians, or anybody for that matter, cannot prove that those fossils had ANY kids,...
If you insist on this then rational discussion with you won't be possible.
...let alone kids who were different than their parents...I saw a Uniformitarianism thread earlier and I would just like to bring up that if we don't see these transitions now, even to a very small degree...
Assuming we're not talking about asexual reproduction, all kids are different from their parents. The changes are to a very small degree, but they accumulate through successive generations.
And I also cannot believe that the link posted showing the reptile-to-bird transitions actually included Archaeopterix (sp?). That was proven false years ago!!!
Some years ago there was an unsuccessful effort by Fred Hoyle to prove the archaeopteryx fossil at the British Museum a fraud. To date there is no indication that the known archaeopteryx fossils are anything but authentic.
That was proven false years ago!!! Some Chinese farmer dug up a fossil and glued a piece onto it and sold it to National Geographic for thousands of dollars!!! National Geographic was so excited about the possibility of finding a rare transitional form (which should not be rare if evolution is true) that they bought into a fake. They had to report it was a fake in a later article stating that they had been duped. How do we know that if Archaeopterix is the only one that people have lied to the public about?
That a Chinese farmer was able to commit fraud on National Geographic proves what, exactly? If you plan to argue that any transitional fossils presented in this thread are frauds then I suggest you start another thread. Let's keep this one free of conspiracy theories.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 35 of 304 (245207)
09-20-2005 2:12 PM
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09-20-2005 1:17 PM


Eledhan writes:
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If you insist on this then rational discussion with you won't be possible.
Why not? If you have a problem with my logic, then expose the inconsistencies.
Okay. You said:
It is impossible for ANY fossil to count for evidence of evolution. Why? Because scientists, historians, or anybody for that matter, cannot prove that those fossils had ANY kids,...
This leaves you arguing that only creatures that had no offspring left fossils. The lack of any rational foundation for this argument is readily apparent.
Assuming that we are not talking about different hair or eye color or a difference in size. I'm talking about a completely different type of organism, or a significant transition between two organisms.
A walk across the continent takes place through many individual steps. Each step changes your position by only a minuscule amount, but they eventually accumulate into large changes in position, and by-and-by you find yourself on the other coast. It is the same with evolutionary changes. The small number of mutations and allele recombinations that occur in each offspring accumulate through successive generations to eventually produce large changes.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 37 of 304 (245214)
09-20-2005 2:40 PM
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09-20-2005 1:36 PM


Modulus writes:
It is impossible for ANY fossil to count for evidence of evolution. Why? Because scientists, historians, or anybody for that matter, cannot prove that those fossils had ANY kids, let alone kids who were different than their parents.
Straight from the Book of Hovind right? I'm sure, word for word, I've heard him say this on at least three seperate occasions.
Good catch. AIG's reponse to Hovind quotes Hovind saying:
Also, no fossil could ever count as evidence for evolution since it could never be proven the fossil had any offspring that lived let alone different offspring.
Pretty close paraphrase of Hovind from Eledhan.
So, Eledhan, if you're reading this, it seems it wasn't your rationality you were defending, it was Hovind's.
--Percy

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Message 143 of 304 (253520)
10-20-2005 7:51 PM


Chat room invite...
Randman, if you're around, join us in the chatroom.
--Percy

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Message 240 of 304 (254330)
10-23-2005 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by randman
10-23-2005 9:13 PM


Re: Roll Up! Roll Up! More Creationist Evasion Here!
Why don't you join us in the chatroom.
--Percy

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