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Faith 
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Message 166 of 301 (249145)
10-05-2005 2:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 164 by robinrohan
10-05-2005 2:32 PM

Re: My answer once again
You do have a talent for cutting to the chase.
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Can't wait to see the answers to you.
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Message 167 of 301 (249146)
10-05-2005 2:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
10-05-2005 2:33 PM

Re: My answer once again
So it MUST happen once in trillions? Well, perhaps I do misunderstand probability then. Seems to me if something is astronomically unlikely that simply means it most likely didn't happen.
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You do know that if the odds of something happening is one in trillions that it could happen EVERY TIME?
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Message 168 of 301 (249147)
10-05-2005 2:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 167 by Brian
10-05-2005 2:39 PM

Re: My answer once again
You do know that if the odds of something happening is one in trillions that it could happen EVERY TIME?
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COULD, sure. But the point of the probabilities from a creationist perspective is that they demonstrate the extreme unlikeliness that it ever happened at all.
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Perhaps the problem is that creationists operate from common sense rather than math.
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Message 169 of 301 (249148)
10-05-2005 2:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 168 by Faith
10-05-2005 2:41 PM

Re: My answer once again
I think the problem is that creationists really do not understand very much at all, and common sense isn't high on their CV either.
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Message 170 of 301 (249149)
10-05-2005 2:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 164 by robinrohan
10-05-2005 2:32 PM

Re: My answer once again
robinrohan writes:
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There are only two choices:
1. special creation (the idea of being made by aliens just sets the question back a step).
2. came about naturally
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Is there any reason to prefer one choice to another?
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Are we speaking scientifically? If so, then the choice is made on the basis of supporting evidence.
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--Percy
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Message 171 of 301 (249150)
10-05-2005 2:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 170 by Percy
10-05-2005 2:47 PM

Re: My answer once again
Are we speaking scientifically? If so, then the choice is made on the basis of supporting evidence.
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Nonsense. The supporting evidence for a Creator far outstrips the evidence for abiogenesis, but you discount the evidence for a Creator on some artifical definition of what "science" is.
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Message 172 of 301 (249152)
10-05-2005 3:04 PM 		Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
10-05-2005 2:51 PM

Re: My answer once again
Faith writes:
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Nonsense. The supporting evidence for a Creator far outstrips the evidence for abiogenesis, but you discount the evidence for a Creator on some artifical definition of what "science" is.
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I didn't comment about which choice the evidence supports. All I said was that the choice is made on the basis of the supporting evidence, and it sounds like you agree.
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--Percy
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Message 173 of 301 (249153)
10-05-2005 3:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
10-05-2005 2:51 PM

Re: My answer once again
These issues might resolve much faster in the chat room. I'll hang out there for a bit in case you decide to join.
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--Pecy
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Message 174 of 301 (249154)
10-05-2005 3:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 173 by Percy
10-05-2005 3:05 PM

Re: My answer once again
When I click on "chat" I don't get into a chat room.
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Message 175 of 301 (249155)
10-05-2005 3:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
10-05-2005 3:15 PM

Re: My answer once again
do you have Java installed?
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Message 176 of 301 (249156)
10-05-2005 3:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
10-05-2005 3:15 PM

Chat room is a buzz...
http://www.java.com/en/
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get the latest java and install it.
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Message 177 of 301 (249157)
10-05-2005 3:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
10-05-2005 2:51 PM

Re: My answer once again
Faith writes:
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Nonsense. The supporting evidence for a Creator far outstrips the evidence for abiogenesis, but you discount the evidence for a Creator on some artifical definition of what "science" is.
Ok, Faith, what is our "artifical" definition of science? Oh, and by the way, when are you going to supply ANY supporting evidence for a Creator? Saying that the odds against abiogenesis are high IS NOT evidence for a Creator. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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Message 178 of 301 (249158)
10-05-2005 3:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 175 by Yaro
10-05-2005 3:18 PM

Re: My answer once again
I thought I did. Maybe it got uninstalled with my recent disk clean-up. That erased a few other things I've been missing too.
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Message 179 of 301 (249159)
10-05-2005 3:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
10-05-2005 3:15 PM

Re: My answer once again
Sorry it's not working for you. Hopefully Yaro's suggestion of installing Java works. If not, describe for me what happens when you click on chat.
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--Percy
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Message 180 of 301 (249160)
10-05-2005 3:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 179 by Percy
10-05-2005 3:24 PM

Re: My answer once again
OK I loaded Java at the site Yaro linked, exited the browser and re-entered, the Java site says I have the right Java program, but when I click on "Chat" I still get nothing. Or to be precise, I get nothing but the upper and lower panels of EvC with nothing in between:
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