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Message 2 of 301 (248095)
10-02-2005 2:53 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
10-02-2005 2:17 AM

Re: Probabilities?

Well it is always said that numbers never lie. I would argue that probabilities are more than empirical.

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Message 12 of 301 (248129)
10-02-2005 9:25 AM

Reply to: Message 6 by Modulous
10-02-2005 5:22 AM

Chaos, Dice, God, and mathematical error

Modulous writes:

Einstein famously made this same assumption. A genius - and when he saw a result that seemed to say that the universe was crazy, he assumed his model was in error...it turned out that the universe is crazy, but if Einstein believes that mathematical models are more likely to be the cause of the problem then I'm willing to side with Einstein on that one.

And yet...I am a creationist in the universal sense that God has a plan and an order behind or in spite of the chaos. I may actually side with Einstein as well...would be an interesting study.

From a literalist perspective, take again the word "image". OK...mathematically, any given image is quantifiable. The symbolism of a number on the forehead, for example, is a quantifiable value. Philosophically, we could even assert human wisdom as a quantifiable value. The other "Marks" were that of a name on the forehead.

Names: Do they have quantifiable values? Jesus= what value? Either value of Lord,monotheistic...or value of one of many "figures" of History. (Or..value of fictitious character.)
Theologically, Jesus as God has a value of either One (if you accept Him) or zero if you do not.

Faith, you have faith in God as One....you're own personal One. It must appear, then, that you value collective human wisdom as a quantifiable value of finite worth...while you value Godly wisdom as Omnipotantly infinite. This is why you never change your mind.

To the observer, you have a common sense value of either "fanatic nutcase", or zero OR you have a unique and infinite value of one of us..(us being believers)

The Tree of Knowledge of good and evil is for all practical purposes the Tree of either/or. The Tree of 1 or 0. The Tree of Life initially had a value, from the human perspective, of infinity. (lest they live forever) Death is a finite reality.

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Message 22 of 301 (248154)
10-02-2005 11:02 AM

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10-02-2005 9:39 AM

Faith,speaking to God writes:

Well, nobody got it. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Cry I think. Maybe I'll let it go for the day and make the (no doubt futile) attempt to explain it later.

God writes:

I will decide what is futile!

(Sorry God...just for illustrative purposes.)

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Message 56 of 301 (248430)
10-03-2005 5:58 AM

Reply to: Message 51 by Nuggin
10-02-2005 11:39 PM

Discussion: Philosophy,Math,and my own musings

Nuggin writes:

Now, let's have the same discussion about logic, reason, evidence, etc.

OK..I am winging it on this one. I am not asserting that the Bible proves creationism or not. I AM asserting that some things can be theoretically true.

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Message 75 of 301 (248593)
10-03-2005 3:13 PM

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10-03-2005 11:44 AM

Re: Discussion: Philosophy,Math,and my own musings

Forget the Book. How about the Spirit?

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Message 76 of 301 (248594)
10-03-2005 3:15 PM

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10-03-2005 8:05 AM

Re: Discussion: Philosophy,Math,and my own musings

There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand actual truth, and those that do not.

Question: What percentage understands?

How do you tell?

Which one are you?

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Message 80 of 301 (248647)
10-03-2005 5:26 PM

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10-03-2005 3:42 PM

Re: Discussion: Philosophy,Math,and my own musings

OK..I'll concede. So I need an observer around all the time to verify any encounters with the miraculous? Otherwise, no creative actions can be claimed...only evolved trial and error experiments? OK..it makes for far safer science to do it your way, I suppose. (Faith was my observer, anyway.

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Percy writes:

"spontaneous occurrence" <=> "naturally"

Is that like saying "supernatural"<=> "natural" ?

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Message 134 of 301 (248928)
10-04-2005 6:23 PM

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10-04-2005 6:03 PM

Re: Incredulity

Faith, let me ask you something. Do you know what stereotypes are?

For example, the Bloods and the Crips. Are all Bloods alike? Are all Crips alike?

What about all evolutionists?

What about all creationists?

Do you get my point?

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