Oh those clever evolutionists: Question-begging abiogenesis

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False dichotmy. There are more than two possibilities. Panspermia comes to mind. Further, a creator is unproven, and even if abiogenesis turns out to be bunk, a creator will still remain unproven. We have seen chemical reactions, and self sustaining ones at that, we have yet to see a creator.

Sure we do. We call them elements. Check out the periodic table.

Darn... your right.QED God then

Ya know Faith, Parsomnium brings up a good point.Esentially: So what?Throw out abiogenesis, probability, all that crap. Throw it out. You still don't have an argument. There is no reason to fill the gap of knowledge with a god.So in essence YOU are the one who is ultimately begging the question. Why a god? More importantly, why YOURE god?This message has been edited by Yaro, 10-06-2005 11:02 AM

No. Panspermia offers a third. What if life components have allways existed?What if they are just another thing in the universe?Further, abiogenesis is far from spontaneus generation. We are talking about known chemical reactions. They are happening everywhere.The reason this whole probability argument is dumb is because you are essentially arguing from incredulity "I can't belive abiogenesis happend, it's mathmaticaly improvable, therefore god."Look at our solar system? Calculate the probabilities of a planet like Jupiter forming, or mars, or earth. I bet it's pretty astronomical, yet there is no reason to belive that similar planets aren't located thrughout the galaxy.Same with life. Just because we have only one example of it, is no reason to think that there aren't more. Showld we ever be lucky enugh to find life on another world your arguemnt would be moot. Lest of course you want to possit a planet hopping god.Heck... what would you do if we encounterd aliens that posited a different god than yours? That's neither here nor there....My previous statement stands. You have a false dichotomy, further you are begging the question. Get rid of abiogenesis all together, it gains no grownd for your possition. Your god is an unknown.

Yes, but your topic has no purpose. It's petty quibbling. Should you disprove abiogenesis, you are left with the same mystery.You want to fill that gap with a mysterious god. It's dumb. You won't get anywhere with it.This message has been edited by Yaro, 10-06-2005 11:14 AM

Well, you are incorrect. It is NOT an arguemnt for the creator, just an arguemnt against abiogenesis.BTW, I agree with you. I think life is a highly improvable event. I personaly don't know what brought it about. Though I think abiogenesis is a possibilty, I am skeptical of it.As far as a creator is concerned, I highly doubt that. I havent seen any gods lately, till I do, I am reticent to hypothesize one. Where as abiogenesis is highly improvable, a god is infinetly so. Yes, but you possition does no better. Isn't there ALLWAYS a question to beg when it comes to science? I mean, we can allways ask why, and how. We can allways do it.