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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
How many sons does God have?
Genesis 6 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Who fathered these sons of God? Scripture indicates that Jesus was the only son of God. RegardsDL
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AdminNem Inactive Member |
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
quote: Who fathered these sons of God? This verse is speaking about the Nephilim, which the Bible only references twice. And of the the references, they are rather vague. What we do know about it, to answer your question, they were fathered by fallen angels; hence, the "Sons of God." There are extra-biblical sources, such as the Book of Enoch, which has a chapter known as the Book of Giants. I stumbled across it while reading the Dead Sea Scrolls. There are other sources as well, but I can't remember the names of the texts at this time.
Scripture indicates that Jesus was the only son of God Its a euphemism. Its just an allegory to give a description. Kind of like when Jesus is talking to the two brothers, whom He calls, "the Sons of Thunder." Are they actually sons of thunder? Of course not. Its just used as a description. Hope that helps. "The problem of Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting, but that it is difficult and left untried" -G.K. Chesterton
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
You would think that they would have been called sons of Angels instead of sons of God.
If God takes us all as sons then how can He justify sending us to eternal damnation in Hell. Any parent would give their children death instead of eternal suffering. Is God meaner than the average parent? RegardsDL
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
You would think that they would have been called sons of Angels instead of sons of God. Why?
If God takes us all as sons then how can He justify sending us to eternal damnation in Hell. He doesn't. We do that to ourselves. Think of it this way. Lets say you are a judge. And in court a murderer is indicted on the charge of murder. The man is sentenced. He complains that it was you that placed him in prison. But was it you? Or, hmmmmm, did he have an awful lot to do with his own fate?
Is God meaner than the average parent? Depends on what you mean by "meaner." Are your parents mean for disciplining you and keeping you accountable for your actions? Or are they just mean because you don't like it? Its the same with God. "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son." Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!" -Hebrews 12:4-9 "The problem of Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting, but that it is difficult and left untried" -G.K. Chesterton
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
someone else writes: You would think that they would have been called sons of Angels instead of sons of God. nj writes:
Um... because, by your own words, the angels fathered them, not god? Why? Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5943 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
This maybe off topic but since the original poster started the diversion, here goes; since I cannot let garbage like this go uncontested...
tgiam writes: Is God meaner than the average parent?
nj writes: Depends on what you mean by "meaner." Are your parents mean for disciplining you and keeping you accountable for your actions? Or are they just mean because you don't like it? Its the same with God. Whats the same with God... Do you really believe that "eternal suffering" is just a form of "loving" discipline!? Absolute nonsense to invoke the concept of discipline when attempting to explain away the concept of hell - please develop this thought.. Next, do you also really believe that hell is commensurate punishment for failing to worship a specific vision of god? It is gospel that one could lead a life like Mother Teresa, but envisioning a different concept of God (maybe being raised in a different culture) and still spend eternity in Hell being held "accountable for their actions". Your murder example is a red herring as in that case the punishment is commensurate with the seriousness and effect of the crime. Edited by iceage, : No reason given. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2160 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
How many sons does God have?
Lots! Romans 8:14 (NASB):
quote: Galatians 3:26 (NASB):
quote: Scripture indicates that Jesus was the only son of God
Where does it indicate this?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Do you really believe that "eternal suffering" is just a form of "loving" discipline!? No, a "rebuke" is discipline. Eternal suffering comes from the eternal separation from God.
Next, do you also really believe that hell is commensurate punishment for failing to worship a specific vision of god? It really doesn't matter what I think. But I'll still try and answer your question. Hell is the eternal separation of God. God will no more look upon you with concern. You will simply be cast away, never to return. Its a case of where you get what you want, but don't want what you're going to get. Its a case where you asked for separation for your whole entire life-- had innumerable chances to reconcile, but opted not to. You then break the unpardonable sin. Now you get the very thing you always wanted, to be away from God, to mock His laws, to reign down invectives upon Him-- only now, it hurts. And it will hurt for all eternity, with weeping and gnashing of teeth. That's hell. "The problem of Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting, but that it is difficult and left untried" -G.K. Chesterton
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
nemesis_juggernaut writes: Hell is the eternal separation of God. God will no more look upon you with concern. You will simply be cast away, never to return. Ever hear of the parable of the prodigal son? The father always looks on his children with concern. He will always take them back. "Eternal separation" is a direct contradiction of what Jesus taught.
Now you get the very thing you always wanted, to be away from God, to mock His laws, to reign down invectives upon Him-- only now, it hurts. But that isn't what we've "always wanted". The son wants to exercise his free will. He wants to use his resources in his own way. If he happens to screw up, the Father is always there to bail him out. "Being away from God" is not the goal. Mocking His laws is not the goal - as we see time after time in these threads, atheists tend to have a better grasp of "God's laws" than Christians do. Raining down invective on God is not the goal. Using the faculties God gave us is the goal. There is no "discipline" for doing that. We are all God's sons, and a son is a son is a son - always. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
"Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!" -Hebrews 12:4-9"
Yes, we respect those who correct our actions and send us on our way to show how we have learned. This is a far cry from eternal damnation. Most penalties have a relationship to the crime. Some kind of scale if you will. Man at the max can only sin for 120 years. The penalty that God exacts is for 1200000000 etc. years.This is not love or justice. It, by any measure is injustice. If God cannot provide better for His children, then He is not a fair God. I personally do not believe in Hell for this reason. Is God fair? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Scripture only shows God involving Himself with one woman, Mary.
Jesus has been named the only begotten son. God fathering a human/God hybrid is to me a ridiculous notion. God would not lower Himself to an act of bestiality.Would it make sence to you that God/Jesus would father God/Jesus. Is that the same as God?Jesus mating with His own mother? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
If at birth we are all sons of God, this would mean that at birth we are Perfect. If so then if we follow our Perfect natures then we cannot do or be evil. When do we loose our perfection if we follow our Perfect natures as given to us by God. If all ar sons of God how can some do evil. Some think most of us do evil.
A poor record for God seems like. God's tally for creating Perfect souls must sound like, good one, good one, oops, oops, good one, oops. I do not believe that God ever goes oops. I think that a Perfect God cannot make imperfect souls. RegardsDL
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1372 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
How many sons does God have? evidently, more than one. the bible doesn't give us a good answer on this one. traditionally, these are seen as angels, although "demi-gods" or "other gods" might also be appropriate. there are also a few figurative usages, applying the title to kings (thus, jesus, as the messiah is a king in the bayit-david. supposedly). adam is also refered to once (in the nt) as the son of god. "son of man" is also used figuratively as a contrast, meaning "lowly mortal" (see ezekiel) and this "son of god" could simply mean "immortal." it certainly implies it.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5943 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
NJ writes: No, a "rebuke" is discipline. Well you mentioned discipline in relation to Hell. Hell is not a rebuke.
NJ writes: Hell is the eternal separation of God. God will no more look upon you with concern. You will simply be cast away, never to return. Err... that is not what the Bible says. There are numerous scriptures that describe Hell as a place of torture and torment; of unquenchable fire, a lake of fire, a furnace of fire, hell fire, etc. A place of unquenchable fire does not describe separation from God, but a place or torture.
NJ writes: Its a case of where you get what you want, but don't want what you're going to get. Its a case where you asked for separation for your whole entire life-- had innumerable chances to reconcile, but opted not to. I do not want separation for God nor have I ever asked for separation! I consider myself a seeker of God, of the divine, approaching the question with humility and sincerity. I will not, however mindlessly accept a belief that is counter to reason, unsupported by evidence, and lacking in consistency just because of some seductive "features" such as the opportunity of a continued existence of the ego/personality and the threat of hell. I believe if anything that God want us to be pure, and by pure i mean intellectually honest and sincere and not leaping (metaphorically) into bed with a emotion based and seductive philosophy. Accepting such a position or "faith" in view of all the inadequacies and theological contradictions strikes me as Disney-land self-centered attempt to preserve the self and satisfy the innate will to live, not an attempt to achieve understand the divine.
NJ writes: Now you get the very thing you always wanted, to be away from God, to mock His laws, to reign down invectives upon Him-- only now, it hurts. And it will hurt for all eternity, with weeping and gnashing of teeth. That's hell. Stop the nonsense, please. I and many others who are skeptical of Christianity, in the same way you are about Islam, are not mocking God's laws or desiring separation. This is just a rationalization so that Christians can somehow fit Hell within their theology of Love and forgiveness. It is easy for you think that those who do not partake of your particular belief as some stiff-necked mockers of God living a life full of debauchery and carnal pleasures, not want to give up such a life to accept the authority of a stern paternal god figure. It is simply not true. Further this is where your parent-child and god-human analogy breaks down. Wouldn't a parent always be willing to accept a contrite child back into the family if it was in their power to - at any time? Edited by iceage, : No reason given. Edited by iceage, : No reason given. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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