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Topic: How many sons does God have?
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ICANT
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Message 17 of 151 (407387)
06-26-2007 1:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by ringo
06-23-2007 2:08 PM
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Re: Eternal separation
The father always looks on his children with concern. He will always take them back. I agree, that God the Father will always take back His children. But who is a child of God and how do you become one?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Re-Sons of God at birth
If at birth we are all sons of God, Where do you get it from that we are sons of God at birth?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 22 of 151 (407398)
06-26-2007 2:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by iceage
06-24-2007 1:18 AM
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Re: Eternal Damnation
I consider myself a seeker of God, of the divine, approaching the question with humility and sincerity. iceage, I think you like most so called christians do not know what it takes to become a son of God. Your fleshly birth does not make you a son of God. If you are good or bad does not make you a son of God. The first man was given one rule to obey, but after the woman had been deceived the man chose to eat the fruit. Because this man chose to eat the fruit he was separated from God. After God drove the man from the garden God did not walk and talk with the man as before sin enter man's life. We are all this man's descendants and because of his sin we are separated from God by our inherited sin nature.
1Joh 4:9 (KJV) In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. God has one begotten Son, His name is Jesus God has many born again sons and daughters.
John 3:4 (KJV) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. Water birth. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Spiritual birth,
Roma 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1Joh 3:1 (KJV) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. iceage, To become a son of God you must be born again. To go to hell you don't have to do anything, as you have been condemned already because of the inherited sin nature from the first man.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Message 23 of 151 (407399)
06-26-2007 2:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 21 by jar
06-26-2007 2:11 AM
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Re: Eternal separation
So God made all of us, we are all his children. jar God did not make you, your mother and father did that. God made the first man and woman. Genesis 2:7, 22.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 38 of 151 (407849)
06-28-2007 8:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by jar
06-26-2007 1:17 AM
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Re: You ARE one
jar writes: Everyone is a child of God and you don't become one, you ARE one. John 8:44 (KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:47 (KJV) He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. If everyone is a child of God how did these people get to be a child of the Devil? Apparently EVERYONE is not a child of God. God has less sons than you believe jar.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 40 of 151 (407855)
06-28-2007 9:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by ringo
06-26-2007 3:48 AM
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Re Son
Let's look at the prodigal son, yet again. Why? You have to be a son before you can be a prodigal son. So you are assuming that everyone is a son of God. If that is the case: Why did Jesus tell Nicodemus that to see the kingdom of God a man had to be born again?
John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus wanted an explanation.
John 3:6 (KJS) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. If everyone is a son of God by the fleshly birth, why did Jesus say man needed a spiritual birth to see, or enter the kingdom of God?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 42 of 151 (407860)
06-28-2007 9:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by jar
06-28-2007 9:03 PM
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Re: You ARE one
They became Biblical Christians, Televangelists and Pastors. But they are still the Sons of God. God cannot get off that easily, he cannot abandon his children as so many Christians Pastors do today. Sorry jar these were the religious order of the day the Pharisees that Jesus was talking to telling them they were of their father the devil.
John 8:42 (KJV) Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. In John 8:42 Jesus tells the Pharisees they are not the sons of God. Again everyone is not the sons of God.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 44 of 151 (407866)
06-28-2007 10:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by jar
06-28-2007 9:27 PM
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Re: Re Son
What does being a Son of God have to do with seeing the Kingdom of God? Everything. If you can't see it you sure can't enter it.
John 1:12 (KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: If everyone is fleshly born sons of God, why does God have to give them power to become the sons of God?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Message 46 of 151 (407871)
06-28-2007 10:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 43 by jar
06-28-2007 9:47 PM
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Re: Pharisees of today
Jesus was, after all, a Jew speaking to Jews. The Biblical Christians are the Pharisees of today. Were Jesus to return today would he call the Biblical Christians, particularly many Christian Pastors, Sons of God? The Pharisees of Jesus day did not believe Jesus was the messiah and when He said my Father and I are one they accused Jesus of blasphemy. So they denied the deity of Jesus. If Jesus were to return today: The only difference Sunday would bring is there would be a few pastors, and a few members missing. The Majority of Modern Christianity are not the sons of God even though they claim to be. I would say 96% have not experienced the spiritual birth that Jesus said: "ye must be born again" to get.
Matt 7:22 (KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Everyone is not the sons of God. Jesus is going to say: "I never knew you". I think that means, you were never my brother, therefore you were never a son of God.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 48 of 151 (407874)
06-28-2007 11:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 45 by jar
06-28-2007 10:37 PM
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Re: Re Son
John 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. jar you have quoted these scriptures several times in this thread and they have nothing to do with the assertion you are making that everyone is the son of God. I assume you are referencing verse 3 and saying that God is continually creating humans at the rate of 250 live births and 87 aborted births per minute, and stating all these are sons of God.
Gene 2:2 (KJV) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. God ended His work. God created 2 humans in His image.
Gene 1:27 (KJV) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. From that time until now man has created offspring in mans image. Therefore everyone is not the son of God. Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 50 of 151 (407878)
06-28-2007 11:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 49 by ringo
06-28-2007 11:39 PM
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Re: Re Son
What does spiritual birth have to do with being adopted by a different father? You receive the adoption by the birth from above which is the spiritual birth Jesus was talking about.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 55 of 151 (407884)
06-29-2007 12:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by jar
06-28-2007 11:06 PM
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Re: Pharisees of today
Being born again has nothing to do with what you believe, what you profess. Being Born again, and again, and again, is a daily, moment by moment series of decisions, of actions. You are talking works here which has nothing to do with being born again. Works will never make anyone a son of God.
Ephe 2:9 (KJV) Not of works, lest any man should boast. Gala 2:16 (KJV) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Nicodemus in John chapter 3 did all the things you are talking about doing but Jesus told him he had to be born again. To be a son of God you must be born again. You were born into your earthly family. To be in God's family you have to be born the second time by the Holy Spirit. The Spiritual birth Jesus told Nicodemus he had to have.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 57 of 151 (407887)
06-29-2007 12:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 54 by jar
06-29-2007 12:01 AM
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Re: Buz, you still misrepresenting what the Bible says.
jar writes: Here is what John 3:3 actually says. 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. jar writes: Please point to the words "Son of God" in John 3:3. jar you asked buz to point out "Son of God" in John 3:3. If you will point out "Son of God" in John 1:1,2,3 I will be happy to point it out in John 3:3.
John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Buz, do any of you Biblical Christians actually read the Bible?
I can't speak for Buz, But yes this Bibilcal child of the King reads the King's book. By saying you Bibical Christians does that mean you are some other kind of Christian?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 58 of 151 (407889)
06-29-2007 12:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 56 by jar
06-29-2007 12:16 AM
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Re: Unrelated irrelevant nonsense.
Works don't earn salvation, that has been freely given to all, believer and non-believer. It is a done deal and totally irrelevant to being a "Son of God". Would you please tell me what is relevant to being a "Son of God"?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 59 of 151 (407890)
06-29-2007 1:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 56 by jar
06-29-2007 12:16 AM
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Re: Unrelated irrelevant nonsense.
God created us. We are his sons. God created the man and woman in Genesis 1:26, 27. If I understand biology man and woman mate if the woman has dropped and egg and it gets fertilized by the male sperm a human being is formed from this union. Now is we are all sons of God does He supply the sperm or the egg, or both and humans have nothing to do with it?
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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