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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
If we are all descended from Noah, and Noah had not
only faith in the One God, but proof of his existence ... Why are there religions other than judaism and christianity ?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
That's the sort of thing I'm expecting ... but one
always lives in hope
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: But the whole of the human society would have been foundedby Noah's immediate family, for whom the existence of the One God was a given fact. ALL human societies would have this as their root. It would notbe forgotten, as it would leave extremely deep rooted biases. IF we are all descended from Noah's family, approx. 4500 years ago,that means that the Greeks, Druids, Phoenecians, Romans, Norsemen etc. just suddenly decided to make up big Pantheons of Gods. They created religous systems, and mythology, from scratch thatwere contrary to their founding father's KNOWLEDGE of what the case actually was, and against the grain of all of the deep rooted conventions that make up their whole thought processes.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: That is actually a very good question. Could you please tell ushow many years ago the flood happened, providing scientific evidence to support your claim ? Once you've given us that we can debate which cultures pre-datethe flood.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: In general, debate on this forum is between those of us whoaccept the cited evidence FOR evolution, and those who hold Young Earth Creationist positions. In YEC models, the date for the Great Flood is taken to be4500 yr bp. It does NOT really require a re-statement of that unless one isbeing particularly arrogant and/or pedandtic. quote: Because archeologists, who specialise in dating archeologicalfinds, have dated many sites to well before 4500 yr bp. BTW -- they do not rely on radiometric dating techniques for this.
quote: We are debating the literal accuracy of the Bible in this thread. According to a literal reading of the Bible the Great Flood happened4500 yr bp (or thereabouts). Current archeology finds cultures pre-dating this time, stillin existence after this time. quote: I would, yes Also, in terms of the antiquity of variuos cultures, there is theSumerian Problem. The oldest cities of Sumeria are dated to about 8000 years bp,but the culture was already sophisticated.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Edited this out ... 'cause I already started another
thread on it and forgot ... had a lot on my mind. Sorry [This message has been edited by Peter, 06-10-2002]
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: I wasn't aware of that (as you can see in the other thread), butfor me it casts a deep shadow on any claim to inerrancy for any version of the bible. A claim I have heard from some christains when tasked with theproblems of translation from one language to another, is that God guided the translation to make sure it was His word. Did God forget the dates when he was guiding some people ? What else did He forget or omit or exaggerate ? Crossing to the Egyptian thread ... is even 1000 yearssufficient to explain the rise of a poly-theistic religous belief system (vastly different from judaism), originating from a line who had first hand knowledge of the One God ? Christainity has survived (with minor modifications) for over1000 years with much less proof of God than Noah had.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
I don't understand this as a response to my earlier post.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Another 'descended from Noah issue' ::
If we are all descended from Noah, is 4500 years sufficienttime to get enough diversity in the Y chromosome to be able to trace which ancestral race the British populations have come from. This research has been carried out to investigate the geneticlegacy of the Vikings in the British Isles. If there is sufficient time, doesn't that mean that mutationscan and DO occur and that they are not detrimental necessarily ?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Exactly ... and it's even less time for that,
since there were Romans, ethopians, Egyptians, Celts, Picts, Scots, etc. at least 2000 years ago. All of the races of man (and that's JUST man) would have tohave emerged, by mutation, within 2000 years. And the problem doesn't go away if the wives were of different races, because there are distict differences in the Y chromosome across different races ... and that's ONLY carried by males, which means ALL Y chromosomes on earth should ultimately be Noah's if we are to believe the Bible.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
I think the literal interpretation for the date
of the flood is 4500 years ago ... that is approx. 2500BC. The Chinese year is up to 4699 or somesuch, and there are oneper western year (averaged over time since they have this neat leap-month thing going). That's just to recorded Chinese dynasties, and there is alegendary existence before that that led into the recorded stuff ... which is entirely believable since cultures do not arise out of thin air. This puts the start of Chinese culture (recorded) to about200 years before the flood.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1509 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Doesn't the Indus Valley civilisation pre-date
3000BC ... I'll look it up.
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