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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 16 of 165 (10555)
05-29-2002 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by w_fortenberry
05-28-2002 10:31 PM


Here is an example of the evidence the existence of the Chinese culture prior to 4500 years (time of the mythical Noahchian flood) ago.
http://www.vhs.com/store/teas/tcm.html
Please note that 3494 B,C is 2002 years plus 3494 years equals 5496 years +/- 5 years (for the differences between calenders and Grgorian calender shifts). The chinese were very exact with their record keeping and monitoring their dynasties.
Here is some data on astronomy which can be correlated using modern planetary mechanics and back calculated to determine the accuracy of the chinese records.
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/a11846.html
I think that this will do for a start, time to get back top work as my incubations are about done.
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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz
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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 23 of 165 (10636)
05-30-2002 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Tranquility Base
05-30-2002 2:33 AM


The dates that I was siting for the Noahachian flood were calculated as TB mentioned
quote:
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
[b]^ Most flood geologists take the flood date to be about 2500 BC via the Biblical genealogies. Of thetop of my head, everyone agrees that Moses was 1450 BC +-100y and Abraham 1950 BC +-150y and the genealogies connect Noah to Abraham via about 5 or 6 generations. So it's very easy to dat the flood scriptually. [/QUOTE]
Unfortunately there is no physical evidence to back those dates up, and much to dispute them. [QUOTE] From my readings the well established consensus oldest civilisations on this planet are peoples more like the Sumerians and they archeaologically date to about the time of the flood. The other stuff like the Chinese etc is less certain.[/b]
I have read much the same with one MASSIVE exception, that would be the dates of these civilizations. The best data indicates that civilization started about 10,000 years ago in near near the Tigres and Euphradies rivers in the river basin. Civilization, namely more organized farming communities, started in the Nile valley about the same time. The Indian civilizations in the delta which may have occured at the same time or maybe even before but these are a little more controversial due to poor preservation of sites. The following are meant as guide posts to more information in this field.
http://s2a3.up.ac.za/resources/article01.html
http://artsweb.bham.ac.uk/aha/staff/staflist.htm
As to my China references, they were only meant as a guide to further research. The site on the chinese medicine was to let you know that documentation exists that reaches back to the discussed dates, you did not think that the new-age alternative treatment people translated the documents did you? Unfortunately neither the people who actually do real chinese herbal medicine nor the people who do chinese archaeology are not much into web sites. There is a very large field of archeaology that deals with China. China is unique as it has had a continuous civilization for several thousand years, dates based on archaeology of course, and many of the early writings or copies of them survive. A comparison of the writings by experts in chinese archaeology and data from NASA confirms the writings as being at the times mentioned as indicated in my earlier post.
One aside, if I were from NASA I would have been extremely insulted by the implication that I would not seek out an expert outside of "my" field to obtain the best translations available for the mentioned chinese texts to use with correlation with calculated orbital mechanics. Having roomed with people from NASA while in grad school I can attest to their professional behaviour.
Back the the flood. The recently found city of Ur in the near to middle east predates 2500 as well and appears to have been a trade center between near and far east (Data was posted in the journal Science in 2001/2, I will try to find the exact reference later). I guess that this is enough for now.
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Taz

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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 47 of 165 (17470)
09-15-2002 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Wordswordsman
09-15-2002 6:25 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Wordswordsman:
WS: That is not a reasonable statement based on any fact, making a poor question. The Bible just doesn't state how many people had been born into the world before Cain was exiled. It seems more logical to assume the first 4 chapters of Genesis spanned several decades, and we already know females were hardly ever listed in geneologies anyway. Only the males were mentioned. We also know the two sons mentioned so far were already employed in regular jobs, Cain already put into the field tilling the cursed ground, Abel coming along later to keep the sheep. Eve meanwhile was doubtless busy obeying her charge to reproduce. In no way can you make a case there were no other people from which Cain could choose a wife, especially if the pattern of Scripture concerning accounting of females is considered.
WS: It is fair to surmise Cain brought his wife, a sister born of Eve, or cousin, or neice, to a land he called Nod, and there "knew" her.
Ok so I guess that you are finally admitting what most creationists avoid like the plague. If your belief is correct, Adam and Eves children employed incest to populate the planet (as "In the begginning God created Adam" then Eve but no other people are mentioned as being created and if the bible does not mention it then it is not there, ...right). So, I guess that this particular act was not a sin then? Maybe god allowed it due to expediency, "Hey, I need people to populate this planet so please go out and "know" your sister". Makes me feel like I started in Transexual Transylvania {cue the elbow sex }.
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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz

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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 48 of 165 (17471)
09-15-2002 7:33 PM
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09-15-2002 6:25 PM


Duplicate of previous message, content deleted - Adminnemooseus
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