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Riley
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Message 43 of 49 (105803)
05-06-2004 2:50 AM


redwolf:
Two or three times you have evoked the work of Julian Jaynes in support of some point of parapsychological phenomenon or other. For example, in message 22:
Now, you might claim that telapathy was at least partly understood given the works of Julian Jaynes
There's nothing of the paranormal in Jaynes' work; such claims are your own, and in fact you're at pains to discredit his views on your own site. Jaynes used the fact that stimulation of the right-brain analogue to Wernicke's area produces auditory hallucinations in most people; he did not claim that in what he called the bicameral mind these were anything other than hallucinatory. (And, by the way, he didn't have to "go ask people in neurophysiology" to find him some auditory hallucinations. He quoted the work of Penfield and Perot.) Unless you are making the claim that so-called paranormal activity is specifically auditory in nature there's no grounds for bringing Jaynes up at all.
As for little Jimmy Leininger, you say:
There does not appear to be any obvious motive for it (fraud usually involves profit motives).
which rather flies in the face of the thousands of things people do to gain the attention of other people, let alone the media, on a daily basis, not to mention the involvement of a "therapist" who makes her living selling this stuff to people. On the basis of yet another Gee Whiz piece of media puffery, I'll take Fraud/Self Deception for $100.

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Riley
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Message 47 of 49 (106186)
05-07-2004 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by redwolf
05-06-2004 10:32 AM


In a couple of places he either did (claim these "voices" are other than hallucinatory) or came within a micron of doing so.
From your website:
"Now, Jaynes assumed a purely evolutionary model and assumed that all of the phenomena which he described were "auditory hallucinations", and that mankind had simply evolved into a state in which human societies were governed by a well-ordered system of such auditory hallucinations."
That's plain. Jaynes is quite clear. If you want to argue that this area of the brain receives real information from somewhere, do so. But it's unsupportable to use Jaynes as "partial proof" of telepathy. That stands him on his ear.

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