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sidelined
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Message 35 of 49 (105650)
05-05-2004 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by redwolf
05-05-2004 5:08 PM


redwolf
Now, whether or not the kind of thing Jaynes speaks of could serve to pick up a signal which had been bouncing around in the universe for 60 years after Iwo Jima is another question
The real puzzle here is how does a phenomena that produces a signal powerful enough to last 60 years not make itself known all the time?
In other words how has it escaped detection?

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Message 38 of 49 (105666)
05-05-2004 6:13 PM
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05-05-2004 5:55 PM


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The likeliest answer given our current state of knowledge is that the phenomena does not exist.These are the same criteria that need to be met in issues such as ESP. Science itself does not state that such things do not occur but rather there is no good evidence to support such a claim. Also we need to get some kind of handle on a mechanism by which such phenomena can explained.If we postulate,say,that ESP is there but not detectable by science then we need to explain how that is so.We can make measurements on gravity and it is exceedingly weak so why something powerful enough to last all those years does not make itself detectable.

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Message 42 of 49 (105792)
05-06-2004 12:19 AM
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05-05-2004 7:46 PM


redwolf
Sorry Old Man but Sheldrakes' studies have yet to be repeated by others to establish a better level of credibility and there is still no clear explanation for a mechanism and a study to determine if such a mechanism even exists.The jury is definitely still out on this especially in light of the number of "promising" studies over the years that turned out to be bogus.
AS for the parrot here is an excerpt. See if you can spot the problem inherent in the test.
At the beginning of each trial, Aime opened a numbered sealed envelope containing a photograph, and then looked at it for two minutes. "These photographs corresponded to a prespecified list of key words in N'kisi's vocabulary," and were selected and randomized in advance by a third party. We conducted a total of 149 two-minute trials. The recordings of N'kisi during these trials were transcribed blind by three independent transcribers. Their transcripts were generally in good agreement. Using a majority scoring method, in which at least two of the three transcribers were in agreement, N'kisi said one or more of the key words in 71 trials. He scored 23 hits:
Hint: It is within the quotation marks I have inserted.

"We cannot define anything precisely! If we attempt to, we get into that paralysis of thought that comes to philosophers, who sit opposite each other, one saying to the other, 'You don't know what you are talking about!' The second one says 'What do you mean by know? What do you mean by talking? What do you mean by you?', and so on."

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