Take the Atheist Challenge!!!

You crack me up. lol
Now I am going to bed.
Nice meeting you.

Who said they were, and what does that have to do with the topic.but since you went there, I will point out that someone else in this thread, and webster says that fact does not mean absolute certainty.
So if God fills me with his presense, exactly the way the Bible said it would happen, then it becomes fact to me, because I observed it.
Others have observed a change in me, which could lead to it being fact for them also.
Also when God uses me to give the Holy spirit to someone.
there is no scientifical explanation for it, but that does not make it a non-fact. Or does it mean that it didn't happen.So the existance of God is fact.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 05-14-2004 07:28 AM

Then this would be a gradual change in what we are, which doesn't match the fossil record.
If it was that gradual, wouldn't there be more evidence of the change?
Instead I think we find none?

Ok this makes alot of sense to me, but again its a gradual change and goes against the fossil record which shows dramatic change over a short period of time, correct?Also, I am still amazed that only one monkey would have evolved when the whole group could have, like the bacteria. I am sure somewhere along the line a group of animals would have evolved like this.
But maybe due to the complexity of the speicies, it doesn't happen like that?And watch out for those blue monkeys

I agree with you 100%.
This is what I am saying inother words, you put it better than me.But comparing gravity with evolution, is not fair. If people believe in gravity, it doesn't interfere with thier belief in the Bible, which is a big thing for many people.
So if you go around claiming that evolution is fact, it could be taken the wrong way, and mis-lead people into not believing in God. Doubt is a #1 demon IMO for not finding God.
I feel as though scienctists do this just to make peole believe in science and not God. I also am not sure about your figures of 40% of scientists believing in God.
I have yet to meet but a few who do. Doctors are more likely to believe in God, but even a large number of them don't believe either.I don't think science has a right to mis-lead the public in this sense, and our schools should be teaching the possibility of God, or creation. The mere fact that so many people believe in God, is enough evidence to justify it.
I don't have any answers about how God would have created the world. For him a day is like a 1000. Most likely because he doesn't exist in our dimension, and not restricted by time. Therefor he could have created it any way he wanted too. And we can't prove it, either way.Our souls could exist in this other dimension as well. If we theoritcally existed in the 4th dimension where there is no time, we would be able to see things both past present and future at the same time. Evidence, however ridiculous you might think this, is when we close our eyes and can see images of the past, or when people predict the future, or see things happening in the future. If you are one of those people that can see into the future.I mean aren't there theory's of when something happens here, that the same exact thing happens somewhere else in the universe? How is this comunicated? If.

I believe you meant to say "creationalist contradict themselves"?Either way that is not what I meant. I am saying that is it possible that this is all that bacteria will ever be capable of evoloving into, just another bacteria? Because yes, it was designed to do that?

Do we actually know how this is done, and don't say evolution. I want to know the mechanics of it.
Its not magic is it?

I'm not sure about that. I think its more of a perspective of once you really know God, you are shown the truth. So you would only believe that you are created. Its what you feel as a true Christian.This would lead some people into arguements that they don't have a right arguing, and is probably what started me off. But again, I didn't originally enter this thread with the intentions of arguing TOE, although I am gald to have this discussion.I just didn't want the TOE to interfere with the challenge.This is all I have time for, probably won't be back until Monday, when I can tackle rhain's novel.