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JonF
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Message 282 of 321 (108159)
05-14-2004 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by riVeRraT
05-14-2004 8:43 AM


but again its a gradual change and goes against the fossil record which shows dramatic change over a short period of time, correct?
Er, in the fossil record, "gradual" means "over a few thousand years". In the monkey example, "gradual" means "over a few geenrations; maybe 50 years". In terms of the fossil record, the monkey example would happen instantaneously.
Also, I am still amazed that only one monkey would have evolved when the whole group could have, like the bacteria.
One monky had a mutation but did not evolve. The population of monkeys (meaning "all the monkeys alive at a chosen time") evolved (meaning "at different times, the makeup of the poupulation of monkeys was different"). The whole group did evolve.

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JonF
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Message 286 of 321 (108165)
05-14-2004 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Rrhain
05-14-2004 6:22 AM


I think this web site is hosted in Germany.
OT: it seems likely that the physical computer is in Florida, since a ping from Boston passes thrugh New York without hopping the pond, and the last known location in the chain is Orlando.
If you're trying to invoke Behe, I should point out that it's been shown that cillia and flagella evolved, too.
Nitpick: It's been shown that there are possible and plausible evolutionary pathways by which cilia and flagella could have evolved, which is sufficient to disprove "irreducible complexity" of these structures, but AFAIK the actual pathways aren't known well enough to be regarded as "proven" (i.e. beyond reasonable doubt that those are the actual pathways).

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