WHAT GOD THINKS OF FUNDEMENTALISM

This post is a rant against hate, yet it fails to ever evidence any hate except to assert that I am guilty of hate.The OP has a source (the Bible) and I clearly interpreted directly from it. This fact is completely ignored in that Trixie just foams at the mouth by screaming hate which is the trump card of the defeated when they cannot refute anything specific from the OP.Trixi's post also proves that she IS NOT against hate, I am the exception, as her unfounded hatred against me will manifest even if she has to defend the Fundementalists - persons she hated up until this topic.Trixie's post is a clear violation of Forum rules - a personal attack without any substance to position.

I argued directly from a source and ripped the heresy and doctrinal error of Fundementalism. There is no Forum Rule violation.My interpretation of scripture has you exposed and in a state of humiliation. This means the arguments of Paul in Galatians has cut you to the heart.Now you are pandering for an Admin intrusion to rescue your ego and salvage some face.All you have to do Buzsaw is flood the debate with the twisted Fundie interpretation of Galatians and wait for all the people who hated you up until this topic to crown you the winner.The Fundementalists, best typified by Buzsaw, have completely voided and perverted the gospel. God is hysterically angry, this is why He inspired Paul to interpret Genesis 21:10 the way he did. The OP was dedicated, in much, in establishing that Protestants accept the Bible to be the eternal word of God. I substantiated this fact for the benefit of persons who do not understand this fact. This fact, that the Bible is the eternal word of God MEANS His word must and will always be applicable to every generation. I used this source and made a interpretation that clearly condemns Fundemenatlism - which means God condemns Fundementalism - WHY ? Because the ONLY thing that can save anyone from the sentence of hell eternal is being voided by the established church world by their traditions of heresy. A church world that is supposed to be on God's side.You think God is fooling around ? Galatians and Acts PROVES He aint. The heresy of every established religious community is to re-embrace their version of Mosaic law which immediately voids the gospel/way of faith to connect with God. The Reformation message was: Faith Alone.You are a God-damn mother flupping pervert says God in Galatians. I showed everyone what the Bible says and NOBODY has the integrity to embrace it.Your only hope Buzsaw is for an Admin intrusion and for other members to flood this topic with evil politically correct accusations of hate.EvC member Wm Anderson is debating and disagreeing with me, why can't any of you do the same like him ?You've finally been put in your place Buzsaw by another theist from the Bible and this ugly fact is the real reason why you are upset.

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1) Willow appears to want to use jots and tiddles of verse, intermeshed with boxcar loads of wacky ideas to substantiate a bizarre form of Christianity and bash divergent or opposing secular theories or theological beliefs. It's a bogus, sad, and common tactic.

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What is wacky about my interpertation of "curse" ?I said the curse is death eternal - how is this wacky ?Show me where I "bashed" anything ?You said "bashed" now prove it or change what you said.

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Buzsaw: This Mr Forum Fundie (buz) has been in scores of churches and Biblical fundamentalist Christian circles coast to coast in many states for 59 years now and have not been in one church or meeting that preached being saved by doing works of the law.

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FROM THE OP: All evangelical Protestantism agrees that an act of faith directed at Christ gets you saved. The dispute with the established church begins right here. After conversion, the church at Jerusalem/established religious community/Fundementalists insist that keeping Law maintains your salvation. This is pure heresy.

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My excerpt from the OP AGREES with the statement of Buzsaw that I cut and pasted.ALL Protestant christianity agrees that faith and faith alone directed at Christ is what saves.This means that Buzsaw is "misunderstanding" or even worse intentionally misrepresenting what I said in the OP.

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Buzsaw: They all preach salvation by faith in Jesus Christ and the receiving of him to reach Heaven and to get eternal life. They all teach that one becomes a new spiritual minded person by this "new birth" experience and that varying degrees of good works follow this experience, depending on the commitment of the person/believer.

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This is the exact heresy of perverting the gospel.We both agree faith starts the journey.The perversion of faith/gospel comes in this instruction to perform "good works" as proof of the "new birth".NO - the way a person continues after conversion is the same way they started - faith.Galatians 3:1,2:

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"Receive ye the Spirit and miracles by the works of the law OR the hearing of faith ?"This is rhetorical !Fundies immediately poison a new convert by changing the focus of their attention onto works and law conformity INSTEAD of admonishing to continue with Christ by the way they started - faith.I am not arguing against law or good works or a righteous standard. I am protesting against HOW these goals are to be met. IF you continue by faith God will DELIVER you from even wanting to violate His righteous standard. You won't be perfect but you will be more perfect and the power that does the changing is the Spirit and the Spirit only operates when we are acting in faith - not when we try to conform to law via willpower.As to your last paragraph of ranting nonsense:I interpreted directly from the Bible. The interpretation drills you with precision and all you can do is retreat into politically correct accusations of hate which is a non sequitor, and every honest and intelligent person knows this.

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I plainly stated that none of these churches I've been in "insist that keeping law maintains your salvation."

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What you say they do and what they actually do will always be different. Anyone who has grown up in and around Fundementalist America knows the fundies are ALL about their version of O.T. law.Fundie churches say conformity to God's righteous laws proves whether you got saved or not. This precise way of putting it is also telling the new convert that you better comply. The hypocrisy in all of this is that NOBODY can perform or conform to God's righteous standard.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.(Maybe I will tell you what Paul the Pharisee of all Pharisees really thought of the Law/God's righteous standard.)You see, what you now claim, after the fact, cannot change the truth of the OP.Acts 15:1 has the church at Jerusalem demanding an external conformity to a O.T. law OR they aint saved.Fundementalists don't demand cicumcision, they demand compliance to whatever list of do's and dont's that their particular denom./church are hot for. How you dress; smoking; drinking; even dancing is a sin in some fundie churches. The compliance of not doing does not in itself make you relate to Christ. Some things are a sin and some things are not. The point is HOW to comply and the N.T. says only the Spirit in you can cause compliance. The Spirit in us only operates when acts of faith are practiced.Fundie churches do exactly what the scripture in Acts 15:1 says, only they substitute a different law. I lived my whole in the Church, I am a insider, to say fundie churches do not thump Moses is a lie.

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The fact is that the Holy Spirit effects an undeterminate amount of good works and fruit in born again Christians.

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Agreed.And He does it on His schedule and as the believer learns the life of faith.Fundie churches NEVER allow the Holy Spirit to do His work. Fundie doctrine of telling their members that compliance to righteous laws of God is the way you walk with God. THIS IS THE EXACT PERVERSION OF THE GOSPEL AND YOU ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED.

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God and his son Jesus will be the judge as to who is genuinely saved and born again. Neither you, I nor anyone else has that power, nor do you, who thinks of yourself as so high and mighty have the right as a Christian to excommunicate or damn and insult anyone nor anyone's mother. This is what we Biblical fundamentalists teach and believe. You had better get it right before maligning us the way you do.

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God is the Judge. Speaking of judging, it is you Fundies that are famous for judging.Paul, in Galatians 4, excommunicated you perverts. All I did was make an interpretation and point this out. YOUR REACTION betrayed and condemned yourself.Fundie doctrine hammers God's righteous laws morning noon and night. Then when someone unveils that which has always been in the Bible, (what God thinks of your obsession with His law) you suddenly are "Faith and Faith Alone people". Fundie doctrine is the perversion brilliantly exposed by the Holy Spirit and Paul in Galatians.

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Biblical fundamentalists instruct Christians to maintain good works as the apostles have done over and over in the NT.

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Just like I said earlier, you "instruct", that instruction is the faith disconnection, gospel perversion which you just don't get. EVERYONE KNOWS the Law, EVERYONE knows what a sin is. EVERYONE knows they should do good works. THE ISSUE IS HOW THIS IS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED.It is inescapable, to instruct is to do exactly what the church at Jerusalem did. They INSTRUCTED you must be cicumcised or you aint saved. You fundies do the exact same thing with different laws. Relating to God via a code of conduct is the Old way. The New way is the gospel/way of faith. Why would God repeat the Old in the New ?
He didn't. Its just that you fundies, just like the church at Jerusalem, pervert the New by conflatng the demands and goals of the Old to be the goal of the New only with Christ added on.

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I'm quoting it so as for you to become a better Christian and get over this bad and condescending attitude of yours towards the rest of us

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My attitude is irrelevant. A truly humble man does not have to look back to see if he was. I have debated fair and square, quoting the Bible as my source. And all you can do is snivel about the messenger in order to deflect away from the truth that hurts.Then the rest of your post is a sorry retreat into pseudo christian love. We are debating Buz, we don't even know one another, which makes all this "love one another" stuff more evidence indicating the beating you are taking.

Purple:This post of yours is way above the head of Randy Thor.He once asked me why Jesus had to die ?I would like to address your points but only if you say so. If not, then thanks anyway.WT

Message # 112 in this topic has nothing to do with the OP.Here we have the leading fundie on this board resort to non sequitors all the while avoiding the content of the OP.The OP clearly sourced what Paul in Galatians said about anyone who places the law or any synonym for that law (Buzsaw's 'requirements') back in front of the only way to always relate to God - the way of faith. Paul, speaking for God said they were "perverts" and that this perversion earns them damnation.In Galatians 4, with Paul using Genesis as his source, says the true church is to throw out the perverts.Buzsaw has no answer but to comfort himself that I and Paul and Dr. Scott are doing the "enemies" bidding.Paul is very clear in Galatians, and so is Jesus in the Gospels, the only enemy is they who void the gospel by their traditions.Fundie traditions have completely voided the only thing that can save anyone. (the gospel/way of faith)Buzsaw's entire presence in this floor wiping called a debate is to preserve his ego at the expense of what Christ's blood paid for.Paul was speaking to the established religious community of his day when he said "Cast out the bondwoman and her son", the eternal word of God always applies and these passages in Galatians and Acts fit like a glove onto the established religious community of our day - the Fundementalists of Fundementalism.

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We Biblical fundamentalists contend for those fundamentals and are despised by the enemy for it. WT is at best, an apologetic for the enemy of truth and at worst right in the ranks of the enemies offense. He hates the Biblical fundamentals which teaches that "faith without works (evidence of) is dead" and that the fruit of the Spirit of God makes a person a new person, no matter how you cut it.

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Above, Buzsaw quote, "faith without works (evidence of) is dead".This quote is from the Book of James, the same James who led the church at Jerusalem, the same James, who in the OP, said you could not be saved unless you were circumcised.Buzsaw has spent this entire debate denying that the Fundementalists embrace a code of conduct to demonstrate their faith and evidence their salvation. NOW Buzsaw betrays his previous disclaimers and instinctively returns to the origin of the voiding of the gospel - James the epistle writer.Both James and Buzsaw are saying what I have said and substantiated all along. They pursue, by works, the evidencing of the fruit of the Spirit. Buzsaw, and the fundies have renamed "works" to be the "fundementals"/requirements stated in the N.T., which Buz and I both agree are actually called the "fruit of the Spirit".James wrote his epistle to rip Paul's "righteousness by faith" alone.
James says he will "show you his faith by his works". These two statements are grossly contradictory and cannot be reconciled, nor were they intended to be reconciled.God allowed the Epistle of James into he Canon as to demonstrate what gospel voiding perversion looks like. This is the only purpose of the Book of James - to have a record from the man who plainly said in Acts 15 that an external conformity to a law was necessary to be saved.The error of Fundementalism is to pursue works/fundementals/fruit of the Spirit BY just actually doing your best to conform.The truth, as revealed by Paul, is that the fruit of the Spirit will miraculously manifest (just like Isaac did via promise) IF we continue the exact same way we started - by gospel faith.Buzsaw says I hate the Biblical fundementals/fruit of the Spirit.Not true.We disagree on how the fruit of the Spirit is to be achieved.I/Paul/Dr.Scott say it comes if you keep on "faithing" which is the gospel.Buzsaw/James, and the Fundies, void the gospel way of faith by pursuing the goal and work of the Spirit by themselves apart from faith alone.Thus far, Buzsaw will only dismiss my arguments as "working for the enemy" which is longtime standard fundie escape hatch.

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From post 119/Willowtree: We disagree on how the fruit of the Spirit is to be achieved.

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Fundementalism is perverted by the pursuit of the fruit of the Spirit APART from the way of faith/gospel.Wherever the N.T. records a list of sins/righteous standard IT IS ALWAYS in the context of the gospel. This means these lists, which Buzsaw is calling "fundementals" will be the fruit of the indwelt Spirit which only operates IF faith is being practiced.The Fundementalists pervert the work of the Spirit by pursuing the fruit of the Spirit via their own discipline, and they project the message that the conformity to the fruit of the Spirit is the way a person walks with God.In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus established to even DESIRE sin - God considers you guilty even if you didn't actually do it. This is an absolutely impossible Divine standard to comply with. EVERYONE constantly sins in their thoughts and desires. Jesus established this Divine standard in order to fulfill it AND to MAKE us conclude that we CANNOT do it. This is intended to drive us to do the ONLY other option to please God - the way of faith/gospel, which if embraced allows the Spirit to come inside and change us miraculously.
This inner change is a miracle - the fruit of promise received - the fruit of the Spirit.The Fundementalists PERVERT this process by their damnable focus on legalism - the "mistaken" belief that God is pleased by performing the fundementals/works of the law/N.T. lists which are derived from O.T. law.I placed the word mistaken in quotes to denote that it is really not a honest mistake but the perversion condemned in Galatians, which is placing that which is behind (law/fundementals/righteous standard) back in front of the New way of faith and faith alone - the gospel.

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what if I redefine the word "satanist" to be someone with your beliefs, does that make you a satanist? No, it would make me look dumb but it wouldn't make you a satanist any more than your redefinition makes me a fundamentalist. Plus as I have very patiently been repeatedly explaining to you, as a Christian I don't follow the Mosaic law, had bacon just the other day as a matter of fact, so there

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The "righteous standards"/requirements contained in the N.T. are derived directly from O.T. law, and you have admitted that these standards are practiced by Jehovah's Witnessess.As long as a person does not perform any law or standard or requirement with the intent of gaining or maintaining standing with God, then they are not connecting salvation with works.You call it "righteous standards", the N.T. calls it the fruit of the Spirit.The Spirit only manifests this fruit when faith apart from the works of law is practiced."Righteous standard" is a synonym, a euphemism for Mosaic law. All the N.T. lists of sins originate from Mosaic law. Your error is to say just because they are reiterated in the N.T. that this gives you a license to pursue them on your own compliance abilities.These N.T. righteous standards EXIST in the context of the gospel. This means the Spirit in you by faith will accomplish them by miracle.Whether you deny it or not in this topic does not change the fact that the JW's commit the exact same heresy of the Fundementalists - the pursuit of righteousness apart from the exclusive method of the way of faith/gospel.You just recently, in another topic contended that the Abrahamic Covenant ended sometime in the Book of Acts.The Abrahamic Covenant IS the gospel. It is Paul's MAIN evidence to this end as he clearly explains it in Galatians and Romans.Righteousness is by faith, just like God imputed righteousness to Abraham when he believed God on another issue.For you to reveal what you have concerning the Abrahamic Covenant PROVES the gospel-voiding heresy of Jehovah's Witness.

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I am disheartened to hear that you reject the book of James, perhaps you should list all the Bible books you reject so that I don't try to base my arguments on verses you reject. As I pointed out in my last post.

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I never said I rejected the Book of James.I said I accept the Book of James placement into the Canon, by God, for the single purpose as to have an exhibit of what heresy looks like.In Bible inerrancy debates, usually the first thing Bible haters cite is the contradictions between Paul and James.They are absolutely correct.This is intentional by God.God included James into the Canon to demonstrate the crooked message of James - a message that identifies gospel voiding perversion - a message wholly embraced by the Fundemenatlists/Jehovah's Witnesses.James says some good things. This evidences that gospel voiding perverts do not look or sound bad, in fact they look religious and "God fearing". But the message of James is that standing with God is determined by works of the law, which he inverts to really be "faith".Negative ! Works is not faith and faith is not works. Romans 4 says "to him who worketh not his faith is counted as righteousness".

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How many Christians have you seen who believe in once saved always saved and feel free to do what every they want? Without what was behind the law, christianity becomes play dough that people twist into whatever fits their life style rather than changing their conduct to live by Christ. Just as the law guided the Jews to Christ as a group, the righteous principles in the law continue to guide individuals to Christ by showing us how sinful we are and that we need a redemption from sin.

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Most of christianity believes in "once saved always saved" nonsense.Everytime you, or any church, point to the righteous laws of God, this focus, no matter how well intentioned, leaves the impression that compliance by ones own effort is God's will.People do not need to know what a sin is - they know !They need to know how to get delivered from it.The church is supposed to preach Christ and live their convictions.Problem is the church is preaching their convictions as Christ.We need to trust God to change people as we preach the gospel/way of faith with no strings or conditions attached.Once again, Paul said IF ye be circumcised (any righteous standard done to please God) Christ will profit you NOTHING. You can perform the standard as a matter of conscience but to project your personal compliance to be God's will is the perversion of the gospel. God's will is the way of faith be practiced so He can do the changing.Glad to debate with you Anderson.WT

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The 'Bible haters' don't know squat about the Bible which is why they don't understand it

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You and I are in complete agreement !

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There is no conflict between Paul and James, they both teach the same things

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They teach the same things if you ignore what they say at face value and if you ignore common sense.Fact: James and Paul clashed in Acts 15.We know this because Galatians says so.We know this because Acts 15:1 says the Judaizers message, which originated from the leader of the church at Jerusalem/James, required an external conformity to righteous standard or you were not saved.BUT, when James saw the eloquent speech of PETER in Acts 15 he had to drop circumcision like a hot potato. Peter, in his apostolic speech to the First Church Council, admitted that Mosaic law was not kept by "our Fathers or us".But James didn't understand the gospel way of faith apart from the works of the law. This is the exact problem: He thought is was a license to excuse sin - nobody said that or implied that. This is why he suddenly decided to salvage a portion of his law compliance/ensure salvation doctrine by reeling off a small list of Levitical law.

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What James stated in Acts was; (Acts 15:28-29) "we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication."

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The perversion is in the "exception", this clearly implies that IF you perform/conform to these righteous standards that this gains standing with God.Compliance with these laws in and by themself will not get you saved or maintain your salvation.The issue is the GOSPEL and the new role of the Law/righteous standard, and that new role is total abrogation IF you are gospelizing/acting in faith.James is polluting/perverting the pristine gospel message with age-old works conformity.

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Paul wrote the Galatians; (Galatians 5:19-21) "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning YOU, the same way as I did forewarn YOU, that those who practice such things will not inherit God's kingdom."

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You originally quoted James and then Paul. I have rightly split your quotes up because they in no way are compatible.The above Pauline quote from Galatians was written in the context of the GOSPEL/way of faith to exclusively relate to God. The fruit of the indwelt Spirit miraculously makes you conform. This Spirit only comes in by faith and continues to operate only by faith, which said thing called "faith" has nothing to do with works, which makes the message of James in his epistle pure heresy.The words "gospel" or "grace" do not appear in the general epistle of James - not even once !Martin Luther called the book of James, "an epistle made of straw".The single issue before the First Church Council in Acts 15 was the role of the law. Paul's response to this question came laboriously in the book of Galatians.Galatians and the book of James are grossly contradictory, and no amount of intelligence insulting contortions can rectify that which was not intended to be.Paul and James are only made consistent when the fruit of the Spirit/righteous standard is confused/perverted to be the "work of faith".

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"Eager to invent supposed contradictions, some have claimed that James' letter encouraging faith by works nullifies Paul's writings regarding salvation by faith and not by works. However, the context reveals that James refers to faith supported by works, not just words, whereas Paul clearly means works of the Law. Actually, James supplements the arguments of Paul, going one step further by defining how faith is made manifest." "All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial" p. 249

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This is a typical "let me explain how what you read is not really saying what you read".As if I need some legalist to tell me that the obvious is not really obvious after all.The excerpt employs classic "rhetoric" which is the misuse of logic in order to support a claimed fact.Paul meant what he said as did James.James is not talking about "faith supported by works".James said "show me your faith (the faith Paul preaches) and I will show you my works (as referenced in Acts 15).James, and the church at Jerusalem ADDED Christ onto Mosaic law.Acts 15 clearly records this as you yourself quoted.You are defending James and the appearance of righteous standards in the N.T. for the exact same reasons James did in the N.T.This reason reveals that you do not understand the gospel or the role of the law/righteous standard/fruit of the Spirit.The fruit of the Spirit is the goal BUT only to be achieved by faith/the Spirit within delivering from the desire to do those things.James, the Fundies, and the Jehovah's Witnesses void Paul's gospel message by the constant focus on the intended results apart from the cause (the gospel).God recorded James and his presence in the N.T. to be a living exhibit of gospel voiding perversion and only like minded persons cannot see it.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-22-2004 09:45 PM

You are not sad - you are glad.You and your kind are more moral than God ?What arrogance !You hate too Randy - everyone does - it is not a matter of opinion.You hate christians and the Bible which makes your implication about not hating a lie. You lie and you hate. I only hate what God hates.

I have constantly argued in the EvC Forum the cause of atheism, and non-belief in miracles/supernatural to be inadvertedly caused by God.
When He is constantly rejected He will eventually react in wrath. This wrath has Him removing the capacity to want or know Him - "God sense" removal. Persons suffering this wrath all have one thing in common: they don't care what God thinks of them nor do they care about His word, the Bible, and faith in that word.This means to have any desire for God means God has not given up on you. This means God controls desire for Him and the free will decision to choose or not choose Him is regulated by God. Harden your heart toward God ? The risk is that He will give up on you and remove your "receiver" - the capacity to respond. That capacity is the desire for Him and the ability to respond (acting in faith).But what happens to persons who profess faith in God, persons who claim to be His, religious people who have Jesus/God on their lips, people who go to church or the synagogue ? Are they automatically immune from the wrath of God because of their surface testimony ?Jesus mercilessly condemned the established religious community of His day - the Pharisees and scribes, people who CLAIMED to be in God's will, but according to Jesus they were the enemies of God.Isaiah 6:8-10

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Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.This is what God told Isaiah.God is telling Isaiah that He will send him to preach to Israel and Judah - His people - who have completely forsaken Him in their idol worship.This passage means God will so inundate them with His word (via His prophet Isaiah) for the single purpose of making them dull of understanding, for the single purpose of blinding them from seeing and understanding the truth so they will NOT be converted and healed.Israel has forsaken God via idol worship and they are completely ignoring God's prophets and their message to return to Him.These are people who CLAIM to be God's people BUT are not. They are not God's people because God is saying that He will destroy them first by making them "immune" to understanding His word. Isaiah will flood them with God's word but they are so dull from hearing it that this familiarity will be the vehicle that condemns them.Matthew 13:14,15

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And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Here in Matthew 13, Jesus quotes Isaiah and says this passage is speaking ALSO about the established religious community of His day - the Pharisees.The point is that religious people who CLAIM to be in God's will ARE NOT in His will.They are suffering the prophesied wrath of "dullness of hearing", a condition that insists that the favor of God is upon them, but in reality they are in a God-damned spiritual state. People in this state actually believe that they are in God's will BUT THEY ARE NOT.Acts 28 repeats the Isaiah curse as it is directed at people who already professed God but chose to "believe not".Acts 28:

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And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.Once again, the persons choosing not to believe are persons who already profess God, persons who are so flooded with the word of God that it does not penetrate.The word of God is eternal - it must always apply.The established religious community of our day - the Fundementalists (at least in the Protestant frame) are under the exact same condition of curse. They have the word of God coming out of their ears night and day, yet they WILL NOT forsake their perversion of the works of the "righteous requirements" (as they deceptively put it), which originates from Mosaic law, and walk with God exclusively by faith.The point is that God will disable the ability to walk by faith alone if you continually pervert the gospel message with works/allegiance to a code of conduct as proof of conversion.The point, as evidenced from scripture, is that if you trifle with God
by not doing what He says He will make you the object of His wrath.The wrath manifesting itself as revealed in the Bible/Romans 1/Isaiah 6

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Was your post a response to mine or are you starting a new topic?

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I did not respond to your last post because it basically ignored every irrefutable point of mine in the post you responded to.The "God senseless" post is further evidence from the Bible as to show the Fundementalists how God-damned they really are.

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In regards to your last post, there are many wrong paths and only one right one, but do you know how to find it? How do you identify the "True Christians"?

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Absolutely correct that there is only ONE right path.It is found in the N.T. and the answer is the gospel, which means "good news", which is that God and His benefits can only be obtained apart from the works of the unattainable law by the gospel/way of faith.The good news is HOW you relate to God - now.The good news is that the Old way of the works of law IS abrogate IF you are relating by faith.Most people intepret what I just said to also mean that a person can sin and violate the righteous laws of the law. IF ANYONE THINKS THAT OR FEELS A NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SIN THEN THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE GOSPEL OR WHAT I SAID.A true christian is only identified by the indwelt Spirit. That indwelling ONLY comes when gospel faith is practiced.The righteous standards listed in the N.T. ARE ALWAYS listed in the context of the gospel - of which I just explained. This makes the conformity to these righteous standards the exclusive work of the Spirit in us, which is the product of faith and not works.You cannot even remotely understand this because you are obsessed with the N.T. version of Mosaic law and the pursuit of that fruit via willpower compliance. The point is that the conformity or the lack of conformity does not get a person the Spirit, the vehicle which does the changing - only faith does.

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(James 1:22) "However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning."

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This generic comment by James is something everyone can agree with.
The issue is HOW to be a doer of the word. James intended that the works of his precious Mosaic law be the doing.The N.T. defines doing as the doing of faith apart from the works of the law.You are under the beguilement of the heresy of James because you defend and twist his aguments to "really be compatible" with Paul. IF they were really compatible then you wouldn't need to say this.The Book of James is in the Canon to exhibit what righteous looking heresy looks like.The crooked message of James is intended to be contrasted with the straight messages of Paul in Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews.
(Acts says Paul was converted on a street called "Straight")Only deceived perverted by law religious people cannot see it as they constantly try to harmonize that which was intended by God not to be harmonized.James is a book that has predictible generically good things said in it. The poison is the intent to slander Paul's Christ ordained message. You cannot get around it. Acts 15 has James spewing Levitical law, which is what you JW's do when you focus on the "righteous standards/requirements" of the N.T. Paul in Galatians perfectly exposes the heresy of James as he sent spies to see if Titus was circumcised !The Fundies do the same, so do the JW's.Circumcision represents whatever law or synonym you use for law and say "conform". That is exactly what you all do and it is the gospel perverting heresy that Christ through Paul condemns.

Hebrews 4:2-11

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For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.Do you know what that word "REST" in the original greek means ?It is the same word for "sabbath".Go back and re-read the text and insert the correct word: "sabbath" or "sabbathing" in it.These verses clearly teach that the belief or faith spoken of, which the children of Israel did not have, is a faith COMPARED TO THE SEVENTH DAY WHEN GOD RESTED FROM HIS CREATION WORKS.This irrefutably proves that the gospel faith that Paul teaches through out the N.T. is not the "works" caricature of James.Belief is directly compared to "sabbath rest", which is immediatley shown to be what God did on the seventh day. This means we are to do as God and "cease from our own works as God did from His."This clearly explains the gospel to have nothing to do with works.We are to work the work of faith (already shown to be sabbath resting/seventh day) as the ONLY way to escape from committing the same mistake as the children of Israel at Kadesh Barnea.James the Epistle writer is a perverted liar - it is crystal clear.