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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Using your definition of fundamentalism
quote:I have yet to see what God thinks of the bad element within any given good. You have shown what Paul thinks of those who disagree with him or who choose not to follow his gospel, but that doesn't make them a bad element. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Where does God make this promise in the Bible? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
You have two from Ephesians, which is a disputed book.
Plus you have John and Mark which are books that have been tampered with. You have showed me what Jesus said and Paul said, but not what God said. I don't see a promise made by God. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Actually I have a problem with your dogmatic presentation of Paul. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Example
quote:You have yet to show proof of this statement in the OT. Message 34 of New Covenant Thread A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
It took a minute, but I think I see it.
Eyes at the bottom of the photo? I guess you never know when you are being watched. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
At least you finally gave me something to work with.
quote: Malachi 4:5-6
It has nothing to do with eternal life, death or the law.
See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; else I will come and strike the land with a curse. quote:The KJV has the word all, but it is in italics. NIV Deut 27:26 Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Read Deut 28:20-57 and you see that curses don't necessarily end in death.Did the Hebrews suffer all of these afflictions as stated in Deut 28:58-62? They should have if no one could keep all the words. BTW, did you notice that 27:15-26 are directed at men? These have the word "all" in them.
Deut 28:1 "Now it shall be, if you diligently obey the LORD your God, being careful to do all His commandments which I command you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth. Deut 28:58-59 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name--The Lord your God--the Lord will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disaster, and severe and lingering illnesses. This one has plagues and disasaters if they didn't follow all the words. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Maybe since he is spelling fundamentalism with an "e" (fundementalism) it becomes a new word with a new meaning. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Ditto!
A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
It is a shame.
My Humble Interpretation Circumcision is part of the Abrahamic Covenant which is everlasting and still applicable to his descendants. Not for Gentiles unless they were slaves. Also not issued as a means of eternal life.
Ge 17:10
"This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. Ge 17:14 "But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people ; he has broken My covenant." It appears later in the OT that circumcision is used to join the group. Again nothing to do with eternal life.
Ge 34:22 "Only on this condition will the men consent to us to live with us, to become one people: that every male among us be circumcised as they are circumcised. Later God won’t let the uncircumcised eat of the Passover, but if you really want to join the group in Passover then get circumcised. Again nothing to do with eternal life, just a way to join the party.
Ex 12:48 "But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it. Abraham gave the custom of circumcision, not Moses. Again no eternal life promised.
Ac 7:8 "And He gave him the covenant of circumcision; and so Abraham became the father of Isaac, and circumcised him on the eighth day; and Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob of the twelve patriarchs. So the gentlemen from Judea have apparently misinterpreted their customs. It happens over time. This forum has seen a lot of evidence of that.
Ac 15:1 Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved." Some men (so maybe a handful out of how many Jews?) began to teach incorrectly that circumcision is a must to be saved, but they didn’t include the Mosaic laws in this statement. Paul took the question to the apostles.
Acts 15:2
And when Paul and Barnabas had great dissension and debate with them, the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue. Acts 15:5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses." But the Pharisees didn’t say these were necessary for eternal life. They were still functioning as their ancestors did that this was how you became part of the Jewish Community. So the apostles and the elders pondered the situation. Then Peter spoke.
Acts 15:11 "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are." And then decreed:
Acts 15:19-21 "Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. "For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath." So they gave them some basics to abstain from while they learn the rules of the community. Again these things have nothing to do with eternal life, but have everything to do with being part of the Jewish Community. Even in their letter they stated that the ones claiming that circumcision was a means of eternal life were not taught that by the apostles or elders.
Acts 15:24 we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls, The Mosaic laws governed the temporal life of a nation and was never stated as being a means to eternal life. See Message 66 Ro 3:28-31 For we maintain that man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. So following any Mosaic laws that are still viable today, does not negate eternal life, nor does it promise eternal life. Many of them are part of our society anyway. Whether you call them principles or standards, rules or regulations, guidelines or suggestions, or the "fruit of the spirit"; any group worshipping together, working together, or living together needs a set of behavioral guidelines for temporal situations. Just as this forum has a set of guidelines. From my experience I've noticed that the ones that cry "foul" and say that works are being promoted for eternal life, are usually the ones that aren't showing "the fruit of the spirit" and are difficult to deal with. So when you quote scripture to show they should behave better, they throw back that "faith alone gets us eternal life." Faith gets you eternal life, but fruit of the spirit makes temporal life livable. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
WT,
I saw your topic entitled "Genesis 22:17/Not a Promise Given to the Jews" so pretty much figure you don't agree with my interpretation. So no I dont' want to discuss any points with you. BTW, James spoke and not Peter. My bad. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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