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Author Topic:   WHAT GOD THINKS OF FUNDEMENTALISM
Trixie
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Message 3 of 137 (114204)
06-10-2004 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
06-08-2004 7:50 PM


Beg to differ!
All Protestants are fundamentalists? Would you care to back that up, please, because it flies in the face of my personal experience of Protestants.
As for what Dr Scott has to say about fundamentalists, well, I'm not surprised. Who the hell is he to say who is worth saving and who isn't? Is he God?? I know he is in your eyes, but when he comes out with crap like that he shows his true colours. We're getting back to the hatred of any Christians who don't share your particular brand of Christianity. Yes, Christianity is about the Gospels, and the Gospels talk an awful lot about love, love for yourself, love for your enemies, love for your neighbours and most of all, love for God.
Oh, and if you feel that "hatred" is too strong a term, maybe you coud suggest a reason why he uses such a nasty name for them? Do you use that to talk to your friends? Is that a term you use when praying to God?
Right, I'm off to recover from my op that I've just had, so might not be able to reply very quickly. Also if I don't make sense, it's the painkillers.

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Trixie
Member (Idle past 3736 days)
Posts: 1011
From: Edinburgh
Joined: 01-03-2004


Message 8 of 137 (114237)
06-10-2004 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Cold Foreign Object
06-10-2004 5:21 PM


Re: Beg to differ!
I'm not defending fundamentalism in any way, shape or form. I'm questioning one of your opening remarks as I feel you have overstated your case. I'm asking you to back this up. I don't hate you, I don't hate Dr Scott, I don't hate anyone, to be quite honest and I'm very surprised that you think that God "hates". I'm not guilty of hypocrisy just because I asked you to justify your statement on Protestantism. By the way, Paul said it, not God. That is a fact. He may have been inspired by God and then again he may not have.
I personally choose to believe in the God of love, the one who so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life. I get this weird idea from the very same New Testament that you get your hate from. I get it from the Gospels which claim to report the life, works and words of Jesus, I get it from the teachings of Jesus, about loving your enemy, about loving your neighbour. I don't feel that I have the right or the moral authority from God to say what God thinks of people or their beliefs - I am not perfect like God is. I wouldn't dare presume to know His mind or his feelings outwith the teachings of Jesus.
Willowtree, I don't hate you, far from it, but I can't understand how someone who is so strong in their Christian faith can find so much hate in the New testament.

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Trixie
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From: Edinburgh
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Message 16 of 137 (114276)
06-10-2004 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Cold Foreign Object
06-10-2004 7:26 PM


Re: Beg to differ!
Willowtree, I'm NOT defending fundamentalists!!! How many times do I have to say this for you to understand that I'M NOT DEFENDING FUNDAMENTALISTS!!!? The whole point of my post was NOT TO DEFEND FUNDAMENTALISTS, but to ask you why you seemed to be saying that all Protestants were fundamentalists, NOT THAT I'M DEFENDING THEM! Jar obviously got the same idea from your post, that you considered all Protestants fundamentalists. It is this particular point I had a problem with and I AM IN NO WAY DEFENDING THEM!
Can I ask where amongst this lot
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JESUS from Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
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quote:
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JESUS from Matthew 10:34,35 Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to "set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law
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do you manage to fit in
Honour your father and your mother
Do you wonder exactly what Jesus was getting at when He said the two things you attribute to him?
You say
Its not wrong to hate as long as you hate what God hates.
Does that mean that you consider that God hates your parents because Jesus said you should? Does that mean that as soon as someone becomes a parent God hates them? There's an inconsistency here in your reasoning when it leads to a conclusion like this.
I find it funny that you consider Roman Catholicism to be politically correct nonsense, strange thing is, my views on God being a God of love are exactly the same as they were when I was a Protestant, not that long ago. I'm only telling you what I consider the main message of the New Testament to be. If you consider that to be politically correct nonsense, then can I say the same about your interpretation of the Bible? Maybe you consider parts of the Bible itself to be politically correct nonsense, only those parts that you don't agree with, of course.
Now, can you stop with the personal attacks please. It's not really necessary, it's not very nice and it makes you look like an arrogant pillock.

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Trixie
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Posts: 1011
From: Edinburgh
Joined: 01-03-2004


Message 55 of 137 (115136)
06-14-2004 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Cold Foreign Object
06-13-2004 6:48 PM


Re: Attention: Atheo and Evos
Sorry I haven't got back. got rushed into hospital on friday with post-op complications and only out tonight to see how i get on. Not feeling too good, so don't want to get into any active topics just yet, also brain not functioning cos of the stronger painkillers. I'll still be looking in, but not saying much for a wee while until i can stay upright for a decent length of time.

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Trixie
Member (Idle past 3736 days)
Posts: 1011
From: Edinburgh
Joined: 01-03-2004


Message 86 of 137 (115841)
06-16-2004 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Cold Foreign Object
06-16-2004 4:59 PM


Re: Dogmatic
Going back and re-reading the title of this thread I realised that I'm no closer to knowing what God thinks of Fundamentalists. I'm now quite knowledgable about what Dr Scott thinks about them, since his opinion is plastered everywhere on this thread, although not by himself, but by his self-appointed mouthpiece. So I'm left wondering if these views are really those of Dr Scott or are just his mouthpiece's opinions of his views, distorted or otherwise.
To be honest, I don't think that God is bothered about whether you take the Bible literally or not, as long as you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and try to live your life in the way that He instructed. There are all sorts of baubles and bells that can be attached, but if the core teachings are followed then God will not condemn you for the baubles and bells. However, if the baubles and bells come into conflict with the teachings of Jesus Christ then you might be on a sticky wicket.
If I stand on the rooftops and profess my faith in Jesus, in the fact that He died for me and that I will follow His teachings to ensure eternal life AND AT THE SAME TIME drop great pointy rocks on innocent passers by, all the while proclaiming "Thou shalt not kill", then no matter how loudly I profess my faith, I expect God would turn his back on me. That's a very convoluted way of saying that people should practice what they preach.
Willowtree, you've managed to alienate everyone on this forum. In this strand you haven't got a single voice of support. Now, why would that be? You know I don't have much truck with fundamentalism, but if that's what floats someone's boat, then fine by me, as long as they don't force me to do the same. So why do you think that someone with opinions like mine can't even support you? I'll tell you why I can't. It's because you've been spiteful, vindictive and hateful. Your attempt to "excommunicate" someone made me laugh out loud at your sheer stupidity and arrogance. Are you God's Messenger? Did a big finger point down from the sky and a voice cry "Its You"? The way you are going on here anyone would think that you were the embodiment of the Second Coming of Christ or a raving lunatic.
You can carry out all the intellectual theologising you like, but that doesn't make your nastiness right. What you called fundamentalists was an obscenity and totally uncalled for. I'm not surprised that buzsaw is angry and offended. To be honest, I'm suprprised that Admin haven't stepped in. This thread is nothing but bile and hatred, a spouting of poisonous views from a self-styled Christian who couldn't get further from the real message of Christianity if he sold his soul to the Devil.
I have decided that from now on I am boycotting any of your threads as I resent wasting my valuable time in discussion with a person who hasn't the first ideas of how to behave in a sociable way and who thinks it acceptable to throw obscenities at people who don't believe in exactly the same way as they do. You have done so much damage to the reputation of your precious Dr Scott that I think you owe the guy an apology. The way you have misrepresented and misinterpretted Paul has done nothing to enlighten anyone except to the fact that your ignorance and hate knows no bounds. If I had only your views to go on, I would run away from Christianity faster than greased weasel droppings. Luckily, my faith rests on more than just partisan distortions of the Bible.
Lastly I apologise to Admin for this diatribe. Willowtree has been getting away with this sort of obnoxious behaviour for as long as I've been around. This just happens to be about the worst I've seen. In my haze of painkillers, something snapped and the little fireworks went off in my head. I'm now off for a well-earned lie down and another handful of Happy tablets.
Oh, and Willowtree, you can see this as so much handwaving with no argument of substance, you can see this as a shouted list of insults from someone who "knows they've lost the argument", as you're bound to claim, you can see this as vindication of your opinions. It's none of the above. Take it from the writer, this is my way of saying "Bugger off Willowtree and take your vindictive hatred as far away from me as possible. Now!!!"

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