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johnfolton 
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Message 24 of 137 (114409)
06-11-2004 10:09 AM


I kind of thought Paul wanted the roles of bishops, like order in the churches(that God is not a God of confusion), to respect the elders, to edify the churches with words of understanding, to bring the sick before the elders, the anointing of oil, the laying on of hands, the preaching of the gospel, if someone not preach how will they hear, think part of the problem is some of the fundementalists churches have replaced the authorized kjv, and this is causing confusion, cause of the words man has altered in their tinkering with Gods Words, etc...
I kind of found it interesting that Ronald Reagan shared my belief that theologians are tinkering with God's Word's, and he shared a quote that it will not dawn on them that it has already been gotten right, etc...
P.S. Jerry Falwell is offering 8,000 dollar's scholorships to new students entering Liberty University, I just don't see Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts all using the Authorized KJV replacing their sword with one of the compromised tinkered versions of the Word, etc...
http://www.av1611.org/biblecom.html
The sponsors of the Good News version boast that their Bible is as readable as the daily paper — and so it is. But do readers of the daily news find themselves moved to wonder, "at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth"? Mr. Hanser suggests that sadly the "tinkering & general horsing around with the sacred texts will no doubt continue" as pious drudges try to get it right. "It will not dawn on them that it has already been gotten right."
This is Ronald Reagan. Thanks for listening.
aired September 6, 1977
Indeed, it is an incontrovertible fact that all the complex and horrendous questions confronting us at home and worldwide have their answer in that single book.
Ronald Reagan
The King James Bible, Newsweek, Dec. 27, 1982 p.46
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Message 36 of 137 (114776)
06-13-2004 2:33 AM


I see the Fundementalists, want righteous laws, its the liberalists that are the ones that want the unrighteous laws, this is the very reason Israel as a nation missed the visitation of the Lord, was in respect to the righteous laws of the Lord being rejected, in favor of abomination, and in America righteous laws are being rejected in favor of what the bible fundementally calls an abomination, etc...
God judged Israel because they rejected the laws of the Lord, God judged Sodom and judged the world with the biblical flood, etc... the Word says Jerusalem became as an harlot, there is wisdom and warning in the old testament, but it does say in Revelations that the Anti-christ will overcome the church(including the fundementalists believers), and that those not written in the lambs book of life will take the Mark of the Beast, cause the dragon will be given power for those 42 months to kill those that don't, but the victory is the Lord's, cause he is Lord of Lords, King of kings, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, and the beheaded for their faith, will be resurrected, to rule & reign with Christ, cause they believed in the Word of the Lord, and not the delusion of the Anti-Christ, etc...
P.S. God the Father seeks people to worship him in spirit and in truth. I see fundementalisms/liberalisms the battle of truths, in respect to the laws of the land, being replaced by immoral liberal federal judges. George W. Bush to his credit took a stand against the judges responsible for redefining marriage, however, we all know the only fruitful marriage is between a man and a woman,(the family unit) a fundemental truth, the sword of the spirit is the Word, etc... I see it all that one needs to put on the full armour of God, and that includes the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word, but agree that this also includes the helmet of salvation, and the shield of faith, etc...

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Message 66 of 137 (115240)
06-15-2004 1:04 AM


Willow, If God puts his law in the hearts of the believers, how does that make a fundementalists in error if they see this truth within Gods Words, if the Sword of the Spirit is the Word and the Spirit causes one to see the Spirit of Truth in the Word.
P.S. Paul also said, the law is fullfilled if one loved ones neighbor as thyself, etc... kjv galatians 5:14 I just don't see fundementalists believing they are saved by the law, sorry, but find it interesting one can fullfill the law, but we all have sinned, but agree its cause of the faith of Christ, and Jesus said to Peter that upon this Rock he would build his Church, and the gates of hell wouldn't prevail, etc... In acts Peter stood up for the gentile believers, and reminded the apostles that God made choice among them that by his mouth should the gentiles hear the word of the gospel and believe, and I find it interesting that Peter said not to tempt God to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, so leaning its the burdens laden on believers that's what your concerned about(because were not bound by the law) were saved by grace, like what Peter was concerned with the burdens laden on the disciples, the rock that God used (Simeon Peter) to build his church understood that were saved by grace, etc...kjv Acts 15:8-11 Paul was an apostle to the gentiles, sent by Simeon Peter to the Gentile Church in agreement with God apostleship to be sent to the gentile church, but was not one of the 12 apostles, cause one of the disciples chosen to replace Judas was to of been a witness of the resurrection kjv acts 1:22, though I'm in agreement that Paul was a chosen vessel, etc...Paul said For so hath the Lord commanded "US", saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, thy were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
P.S. It says the Word of the Lord was published kjv acts 13:47-49 it not talking about Pauls epistles, though they too were published by the early church cause of the practice of writing letters one to another, I guess whatever your talking about is not about the Word, or fundemental truths, but the burdens laid upon believers, that Simeon Peter (the Rock God used) to build his church, was warning against, cause were all saved by the grace of God, through Christ, its because of his faith (Jesus faith), that the window of faith has been opened to the gentiles, to which is the reason Paul said what he said in Acts 14:47 and when the gentile heard this window of faith was opened to them they believed and published Gods Word throughout the region, etc...

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Message 92 of 137 (115942)
06-17-2004 1:30 AM


Agapa love fullfills the law,
I thought Jesus came to serve and to set the captives free (Abrahams bosom?, the broken heart?, etc...), and we all want to serve him, when all he wants is for us to be about what he is about, loving ones neighbor, the brethren, the widow and the orphan as he loved(agapa love). I'm leaning that WT is talking about how were at times putting the cart ahead of the horse if there about serving the Lord, and neglect to love the unlovable. I mean if your serving Christ, then are your being about what Christ was about, and fullfilling his commandment, to love one another. It talks about if you WANT to be great, you become as a servant, it a humbling thing, putting God first, and loving your neighbor as Christ would, etc...To me loving is above theology, cause your about what God is about, but the world wants to put self first, so thats putting the cart ahead of the horse, I don't see a problem with fundementalism, if they have a servants heart for the Church(to be about what Christ is about), to love one another (the brethren and their neighbor)in the spirit of Christ, not as the world loves. If Christ is the head of the church and he came to heal the broken hearted, then if you forget about the brethren, to love the brethren, and ones neighbor, as he would love, then you might be putting your theology ahead of Christ, but suppose its easier, cause your so busy serving the Lord, but are your striving to be his friend, etc... Personally think if you want to be about what Christ is about, you you will love the brethren, your neighbor, cause this is putting self second, and God first. Now leaning if you say well I'm serving the Lord, but forget the brethren, and ones neighbor, that your not being about what the Lord is about. Then be careful that you don't overburden ones self, due to manipulation of people, so if you put your foot in ones mouth, don't sleep on whatever you agree kjv Proverbs 6:1-5, cause human nature will try to enslave you by your words, and Jesus said his burden is light (my interpretation of the wisdom of those verses), etc...
P.S. It talks about the world loving their own (so if the world loves you then you must be doing something wrong, which makes me feel the fundementalists (Jerry Falwell, etc...) are doing something right, etc...), so think what this is all about is being about what Christ is about, then you will be a true Christian, cause he will then call you his friend and not his servant, he says his yoke is easy his burden light. Its all about what the law was about, loving God and ones neighbor as Christ loved, this too me is what in part they call the fruit of the spirit, etc...

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Message 135 of 137 (121030)
07-01-2004 10:48 PM


It is kind of interesting that the Word (the red print) (Christs words) says to be hearers and doers, but agree it should be done in faith. Its like if you have faith in the hearing of the word, your going to be doers of the word. Its kind of like faith without works is dead, but that is kind of in agreement with Jesus saying My mother and my brethren are those that hear the word of God, and do it.
kjv Luk 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

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