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Nope. I am not going to let you change the subject.
You can keep trying, but you will not suceed.

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The issue is "How can you connect the wheels to the Exodus?"

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Ah, so I see. You've only confirmed to me that, AFTER ALL, I have been working on a scientific principle--it is called, the scientific principle of deduction.Deduction, deduction, deduction!Thank you Lord for "deduction"!So there were no recorded caananite, Assyrian, or other asiatic campaigns in the Nuweiba area! *dances with tambourine in hand*

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We are working on scientific principles. Those of you who say we are not, are lying.

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defending the Wyatt 'work' would you mind stating your scientific expertise and your actual 'real life' professions.

Nope, not going to let you change the issue.Once again,

How can you connect the wheels to the Exodus?

You folk keep trying to twist and dodge because you have no evidence.

Yet again!

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How can you connect the wheels to the Exodus?

It doesn't matter what name you post under, the answer is the same.

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I can't believe that you're still trying to push the "molecular frequency generator". Your own sources admit that it is a Hieronymous machine (even if they spell the name incorrectly). And the Hieronymous machine just doesn't work. It's just a pseduo-scientific gimmick that works off the same principles as dowsing - a subconscious reaction from the mind of the operator.On to the mummies - as the page you quoted points out the identification of the mummy of Tuthmosis IV is more certain than that of Amenhotep II.Page Not Found | The Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago"...the Thutmose IV mummy is one of the better identified ones, with dockets inscribed both on his mummy and coffin." - looks like that mummy was probably in the proper coffin after all. The dockets match.
And the two schems which reassign that mummy reidentify the mummy previously thought to be Amenhotep II to Tuthmosis IV and have no mummy for Amenhotep II.As for the co-regency you completely fail to understand the problem.
THe issue as I have said is why would Tuthmosis II reigning as co-regent under Amenhotep I ALSO have a another co-regent ? That IS your hypothesis. Moreover you have produced no evidence for the identification of Senmut as Tuthmosis II.Your answer to 4 is inadequate - since the context has been lost there is no indication as to what is being discussed. If we go back to the post in question we see that you had admitted that the evidence was compatible with the convnetional view and therefore cannot support Wyatt's hypothesis over that view
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO -->EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEOYour answer to 5 is in error. Aside from the need for support for your interpretation of the name there is more evidence. Hatshepsut is depicted as Pharoah. Hatshepsut identified herself as the daughter of Amun, born to be King as Deir El-Bahri. We have her cartouche givng her Horus name as well as her Throne name and identifying her as Pharoah http://www.bediz.com/hatshep/cartouche.htmlClaiming that a woman could not be Pharoah explains why Hatshepsut was often depicted as male - but adhering to it as an absolute is contradicted by the evdence that she was called Pharoah and took the names and titles of a Pharoah and claimed that her father named her as heir.6) If you are forced to "crunch" the reigns together so much the worse for your hypothesis. We are still awaiting any significant evidence on that front.7) The schemes presented are explicitly identifications of the mummies. And all of them contradicted your hypothesis. You don't have good evidence for your scenario at all here.8) The block statue of Senmut without Nefure lists Senmut's titles - it cannot be of Nefure. YOu can clearly see that it is heavily inscribed.
http://www.maat-ka-ra.de/...h/personen/senenmut/sen_karr.htmThe second of the two statues of Hatshepsut is more clearly feminine than the other (we can see an "hour-glass" figure, unlike the stautes of Senmut) - but both appear more so than the statues of Senmut
http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/portraiture/18d.htmAs for the final statue although the name has been erased that does not meen that the identification as Senmut rather than Nefure is in doubt. There is more to the inscription as can clearly be seen.11) Here you are again appealing to uncertainty as evidence FOR your view. But the fact is that so far the evidence against your view is of better quality than that you have offered.As to the inscription at Deir El-Bahri it has NOT been established that the translation is confused nor that the reading you offered has any validity. I can find no source that suggests that the child is anyone other than Hatshepsut herself.And I really can't beleivthat you are trying to dismiss the fact that the child is identified as a daughter with "So just because she has a daughter means she does not have a son? " There's only one child in the mural so if that child is a daughter named Hatshepsut it is not an unnamed son.And if you didn't notice that all the sites I referred to were talking about the same mural that you are referring to - well you need to do a bit more research.Well that leaves uis with your refusal to support your claim that Egyptian women changed their names in the way you said they did. Surely you must see that if you cannot we should accept that they are different women ? Especially as you have no other evidence and the evidence already produced supports Tuthmosis I as succeeding Amenhotep I directly contrary to Wyatt's hypothesis.Finally you did indeed use the phrase "compelling evidence" in regard to the Exodus - and what I said is still true.

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How can you connect the wheels to the Exodus?

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Because there is a historical document called the Bible that tells us that Pharaoh and all his chariots drowned, and that the Lord took off their chariot wheels. We are told that these chariot wheels came off in the Red Sea. The right arm of the Red Sea (Gulf of Aqaba) is the ONLY place in the entire Red Sea that Chariot wheels have been discovered. This is compelling evidence. On top of this, the wheels match the biblical location of where Pi-Hahorith had to be, as Josephus described "mountains terminating on either end of the beach". We know this because of the pillars Solomon errected. We know this because Mt. Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. We know this because scripture makes it plain the Israelites were out of Egypt BEFORE they crossed the Red Sea. We know this because there are 8, 6, and 4 spoked chariot wheels, and the Egyptian 18th dynasty was the only civilization known to simultaneously have this variety at the same time during this pareticular time period.And finally, because there is simply no natural explanation for how those wheels could have gotten there, other than a disaster executed by a divine hand. How come no chariot wheels are found in the Dead Sea? the Mediterranean? the River Nile? the Black Sea? How come only in the Red Sea--exactly where the Bible describes this event?So there is your answer. Done, said, zilch--zippo!

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Read the above. ROFL!Ah...jes,...plentious efidence mi friend....plentious...dddeeeeeliiicious efidance! This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-09-2004 07:20 PM

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The lord took their chariot wheels If that's the case why can't he return the one that Ron lost when that guy died?

So now jar, now that I answered your questions, I demand an answer as to what campaigns have been noted in the Nuweiba area.If you get out of this, it only goes to show you that you are trying to dodge me, because you know inside that you can't answer this. If you can't list to me the particular campaigns that took place in this area, then I every right to attribute it to non-other than the Exodus...since it is only in the Exodus account (you know that one history book? or do I have to remind you...it's called the Bible...just incase you didn't know) that describes an event of chariot wheels COMING OFF WHILE CROSSING THE RED SEA!WE ALSO KNOW THAT EGYPT EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO THE TO THE WEST COAST OF THE GULF OF AQABA! and that the Sinai Peninsula belonged to Egypt during these times. The Wadi Watir that leads to Nuweiba beach (Pi-hahorith) is the ONLY locaton that fits the biblical account so perfectly--especially when viewed on a map.That map should have been very convincing to you jar. I've done my part to show you how this all fits together like a perfect puzzle, but yet continue to yell in frustration like a maniac by asking a kindergarden question that has been answered about 1-2 hundred times.

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The lord took their chariot wheels
If that's the case why can't he return the one that Ron lost when that guy died?

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You are the most understanding person on planet earth charles. You could care less what other people go through. As if our evidence relies on this "one" missing chariot wheel...amazing. Very humurous indeed.Like all the other photos mean nothing. Am I smelling lobotomy here?

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So anyway how do you connect those wheels to the exodus?

Yes, that's called a "convergence", or a "wieght of evidence."The simplest explanation for all the clocks in your house being stuck at exactly the same time is that something happened at that time to make them stop, or else they were all set to 2 pm and stopped, possibly at different times.Finding the cause, though, would take more evidence. A bunch of stopped clocks is not enough to infer a bomb went off. (You'd have to find a crater, etc.)

I think I am being very calm here but how much more of this am I expected to take - I'm called an idiot, accused of being in league with the devil and now the above.Are we honestly saying that the following represents honest debate? This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-09-2004 07:36 PM

Still no connection.I really wonder if you understand evidence at all.First, you do not have any evidence that the wheels exist. You do not even have any pictures of the wheels.Second, you do not have any evidence other than your assertion that there is any connection to the Exodus.So back to the question. Other than your totally unsupported claims, do you have any information that the wheels, if they existed, are connected to the Exodus.Please, no more simple assertions.

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The map showed nothing.It is not evidence.

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Charles, just ignore it. We could suspend someone for that sort of crap but why bother. ok?
They really don't know any better.