"The Exodus Revealed" Video II

Buz, if there is emperical evidence tell me where in the world I need to go to see it? To look up close at it. To (with permission or good reason) touch it? It is somewhat analogous to the broken, replaced parts at the, perhaps, shady car repair shop. I want to see them!If that isn't available show me the lab reports of the analysis done and the details of the handling of it. That is, I would prefer to see the parts come out of my car not just be shown some parts that might have.As best as I can tell, it is all missing or inaccessible. If that is true there is no evidence that matters a damm.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 08-06-2004 12:32 AM

Excellent! What are the particular objects that are available in the museum?What GPS co ordinates will one need to go to in the gulf?There is no need to talk face to face with the researchers, of course.

You have not caught the actual meaning that I see in Jar's post. by the time you restated what you thought he was saying you got to: What jar is looking for is the connection. Moller discusses things that are claimed to have something to do with the exodus but how are they shown to actually be connected to the exodus.As a somewhat farcical example, if we had Egyptian records of chariot serial numbers lost "chasing the Israelites" and we found chariots with those serial numbers we would have a connection.It isn't enough to claim a connection.

Hang on, PaulK, it can't be that Jim isn't even an expert on the Bible, can it? That seems nearly as incredible as his claims.

And what does that have to do with the Exodus? That sounds like something that can be discussed in a series of other topics. So you have a video. So?Where does one go exactly to perform the on site inspection?What exactly is in the museum you mentioned?I think I asked those questions awhile ago. I missed the answers.

Every so often it is a good idea to summarize. I've lost track of what restrictions there are and why they are there.I've also lost track of exactly what evidence there is.Let me go on memory:
There is a mountain we can't visit that has a black top (maybe) and there hasn't been anything done to determine the nature of the black.There are coral formations that don't look much like anything (at least the pictures I've seen).There is a picture of a wheel that can't be moved and hasn't been examined.There is a wheel that is gone.What else was there?

No, not ok. I know I've repeated myself many tens of times in this forum. I expect the same assistance from others now and then.Every so often it is necessary to repeat ones self.I have been reading along, of course. It is just that there doesn't seem to have been anything memorable presented.(don't rush, I won't be around much for the next 36 hours or so )This message has been edited by NosyNed, 08-06-2004 10:36 PM

Well, not so well known to me. Is this a good time to tell us what the effect is? Thanks.(as an aside it does look like a volcanic layer over something else; it sure doesn't look "burned black". Somebody's imagination is running wild.)

Yea, but it isn't fun anymore. I don't have any friends or acquaintances who think that the literalists deserver "equal time" anymore. I used to but people like Jim and others here convinced them that this is a really dumb idea. I'll have to hunt for some more.

Rather than present them all at once. Why not just present one or two as samples. That will be enough to keep the discussion going.In addition, I, for one, wouldn't demand lab results for every single one of them if I saw a consistent pattern of good testing on a number of them. It might save you some time.

But Buz, Charlie has done you such a favour. The more fuss he makes the more foolish you make him look when you just present the evidence and the back up for it.So far you've let him get further out on a limb. It is about time you cut it off and presented all the evidence that is there in the simple format that he is asking for.Then you can bake up a crow pie for Charlie. Fun huh?

It wouldn't be unreasonable for you to just list it off with about 5 words for each one, now would it? Since you feel you have such a strong case it should rattle down in about 80 seconds of your time.Others have done their own summary of the evidence before. It goes something like; not available, lost, only an assertion. Do you have somehing better?Or just to help out pick one piece of evidence. It seems the most tangible are the wheels. However, as I recall, all but one are lumps of coral that could be just lumps of coral. The one wheel is missing in action. So the wheels become enhanced pictures, lumps and lost. Not much evidence there is there?What's the next bit Buz? The blackened mountain? No geological reports there. Can't go to the mountain? Gee, another kinda weak bit. Got any others?

It seems that I wasn't remembering wrong.What we have are a number of claims of certain things. As an example the "burnt" mountain top may be no such thing or it might be. However, there is nothing but a claim that it is. No analysis, no consideration of the geology that has already been pointed out and, it seems, no access to check the mountain properly.If that is a representative sample of what you think counts as convincing evidence then only those who desparately want to believe are going to accept it.I know you think this is very closed minded and all and that we have some hidden agenda to ignore all this wonderful "evidence".What is actually the case is that some people have a very different view of what constitutes convincing evidence for anything. You might want to note the discussion about left and right handed snails starting here:
Message 47Both parties really want there to be a clear example of speciation but they are fussing over whether it is "real" evidence for it. They have much, much, higher standards of evidence than you do. You will have to understand how their minds work if you expect to make a convincing case for anything.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 08-12-2004 01:31 AM

Yea, I guess Buz don't gotcha after all. Too bad the fun is gone.

And you actually believe this statement? There is, as Charles suggests no hope whatsoever then. You are delusional.