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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Oh, I almost forgot, the Nile delta one seems to be suspect since the map it is based on doesn't match the photo taken from the shuttle.
And claims about the Nile delta are almost certainly useless in this discussion, as we don't know how far it stuck out into the Mediterranean in the past. It has grown from added sediment, and shrunk from subsidence and erosion, and it's rather impossible to find where the shoreline was when the pyramids were built.
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Lindum Member (Idle past 3427 days) Posts: 162 From: Colonia Lindensium Joined: |
Hi WT,
I haven't yet found any decent all-in-one solutions online, however, you can check the accuracy of the co-ords here: No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.terraserver.com/search/coordinates_search.asp [edit to add:] Note regarding the numbers in my table: Positive numbers for Latitude = North, negative numbers = South. Positive numbers for Longitude = East, negative numbers = West. These sites allow you to determine the distance between co-ords:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm UK Microlight and Paramotor records No webpage found at provided URL: http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch1en/conc1en/greatcirclecalc.html These are based on the WGS84 standard, as is the satellite imagery I used in the initial measurement. You can find info on the WGS84 geoid here:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.wgs84.com Are you now able to confirm:
Percy writes: If you could just confirm that this first line of the table represents the approximately 112 miles from the GP to the Mediterranean coast of Egypt along a meridian through the GP's apex, we can move on to the next line: Longitude: 31.134458Latitude Start: 29.978810 Latitude End: 31.595859 Distance (miles): 111.73 Cheers. [edit: additional info] This message has been edited by Lindum, 08-11-2004 04:58 PM
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Hi WillowTree,
Are there any more questions we can answer to help you confirm the length of the first segment of the GP meridian? --Percy
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Hi Percy:
I went to this library which has a giant world map hanging on the wall. The map is spherical/flat with longitude and latitude - standard map we all have seen probably many times. I pushed a thumb tack in the center of the Nile Delta and then stood there quartering the land area. It is center - no doubt. Not very scientific but neither is taking a ruler and measuring. Did you guys measure through Antartica and the Americas ?
Message 5 silently implies that Smyth's LLM is not LLM.
Message 5 provides the full explanation of the claim which I failed to do when I first posted it. Unless Message 5 is addressed this fixation on just LLM is error. Shortest distance of seas passed through has always been part of the claim whether I posted it or not. It is posted now and has been for some time. WT
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Hi WillowTree,
There are certainly a number of other issues you have raised in addition to the LLM issue, but fortunately they are all independent of one another. There is no necessity for considering them together, and in fact mixing them up in a single thread only made examining them more difficult. In addition to the LLM claim, your Message 5 touches on a number of other issues, but they are not the topic of this thread. We're not ignoring the other issues. If you'd like to examine them now instead of waiting until we finish with LLM, then simply open additional threads. Let me try to address your questions.
I pushed a thumb tack in the center of the Nile Delta and then stood there quartering the land area. It is center - no doubt. Not very scientific but neither is taking a ruler and measuring. Much of what scientists do involves measuring things. I can't imagine why you would think measuring something with a ruler is "not very scientific", unless you're looking for greater accuracy. If you'd like to address the "quartering of the land area" issue, please open another thread. Please notice that it is as I said earlier about these issues being independent of one another, because you just demonstrated this by examining the "land quartering" issue without involving the LLM issue at all.
Did you guys measure through Antartica and the Americas ? The meridian is measured pole to pole through the apex of the GP, so no, it does not include the Americas, but it of course includes Antarctica to the south pole. The meridian on the opposite side of the globe is referred to in your Message 5 as the "nether meridian", and it passes within 1000 miles of Hawaii.
Unless Message 5 is addressed this fixation on just LLM is error. You've said this several times, but you just demonstrated yourself that the issues are independent. If you really believe there are some dependences between the LLM issue and the other issues, then please describe what they are.
Shortest distance of seas passed through has always been part of the claim whether I posted it or not. You've said this before, too, and it was answered before. The pole to pole length of the meridian is equal to the sum of the distance over land and the distance over sea. Any meridian that crosses the most land must, by mathematical definition, cross the least amount of sea. Lindum's meridian crosses more land and less sea than the GP meridian. But verifying this mathematically is the purpose of this thread. Could you please confirm these numbers for the distance along the GP meridian from the GP apex to the Mediterranean coast of Egypt:
Longitude: 31.134458 Latitude Start: 29.978810 Latitude End: 31.595859 Distance (miles): 111.73 --Percy
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Vidusa Inactive Member |
Adam - Christ. era = 4282 years = 2 x 2141 years (Petko N. Vidusa:The Great Pyramid and the Bible;http://www.vidusa.org
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
This thread concerns only the idea that the GP (great pyramid) is on the LLM (longest land meridian). That is the only topic of this thread.
If you wish to post anything on the LLM here you are very welcome to. If you wish to attempt to sell your book you are not welcome. This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 08-14-2004 02:00 PM
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Vidusa Inactive Member |
OK!
Greenwich Meridian and Pyramids The three stars of constellation Orion stand on the celestial equator.We also could project three pyramids on the Earth's Equator.The place (point) of the pyramids on the Equator would be away from Greenwich meridian just as the Great Pyramid is away from Greenvich:31,1355556 deg. east or 3455,824666km (1 deg.= 111 km). The base length of Great Pyramid is 231,92867 meters. Coptic word for PYRAMID is PYRMET(Pyr-met).PYRMET means TENTH PART! The 1/10 of 231,92867 = 23,192867 3455,824666 x 23,192867 = 80150,48188 One half of 80150,48188 = 40075,24094.The number 40075,24094 is the length of Earth's Equator in kilometers.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
None of that has any relevance to anything.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
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This board doesn't have the ability to control access on a thread by thread basis, only forum by forum. So, congratulations! You're the first to lose posting privileges in Free For All. Please try to stay on topic in the other forums.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Seems WT has run off to other threads. This has happened before if I recall correctly. Is the LLM claim a bit too mathematically challenging?
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Coptic word for PYRAMID is PYRMET(Pyr-met).PYRMET means TENTH PART! Coptic: "pyr" means "division"; mid/"met" means "ten" = 5 the number of grace. Source: Dr. E. Raymond Capt.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
The LLM claim always existed within the content of Message 5 even though it was posted very late.
WT
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Hi WillowTree,
Could you please read and respond to Message 35, which explains why your various claims are independent and should not be considered together? Thanks! Insisting that the LLM and land area claims can only be considered together is like saying you can only measure the length of your car if you first find its surface area. Naturally that's ridiculous, since of course you can measure the length of a car without first finding it's surface area, and in just the same way you can measure the amount of land crossed by a meridian without considering issues of land area. If you have some reasons for thinking these claims are not independent then please let us know what they are. --Percy
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
There are certainly a number of other issues you have raised in addition to the LLM issue, but fortunately they are all independent of one another. Message 5 is the foci/close-up of the LLM claim. I truly regret that I did not post message 5 content when I originally posted the center claim. But Ned/Lindum immediately viewed LLM claim separately and apart from center claim, but we know that the LLM claim always existed within the center claim. To extract the LLM claim and discard its original context is not possible for two reasons: 1) Why is the isolation being pursued ? Answer: to disprove the center claim. 2) Removal of center context = disappearance of LLM claim altogether. The LLM claim only existed in isolation via opponents handling. Neither I or my sources ever argued a LLM claim apart from the center claim. Rutherford's endorsement of the center claim includes the explanation of LLM, an explanation which probably has as its source Smyth's fullest unfolding contained in his book - a book which I do not have. I suspect Smyth always said what Rutherford argues in Message 5. But I don't know for sure. It doesn't matter - Rutherford fills in the LLM claim and I cannot be expected to leave the confines of my source and embrace an argument which BEGINS its enquiry in the error of isolation.
There is no necessity for considering them together, and in fact mixing them up in a single thread only made examining them more difficult. Your context here is the center claim and all of its various components. I would tend to agree, EXCEPT as we know, the LLM claim contains the asterisk of Message 5. Now that we know this, that the LLM claim always existed within the content of Message 5 then to isolate it is error. Its like when a lawyer intentionally blurts out what he knows to be inadmissable evidence in the presence of a jury for the single intent of exposing the jury to its inescapable prejudicial value. The judge will order the comment stricken from the record and he will order the jury to disregard but the damage is done, the lawyer knows the jury heard it and nothing can in reality erase that fact.
Message 5 is a factual reality, it always existed - it cannot be ignored. You are asking to pretend that it is not in existence - why would I or how could I do that ?
WT writes: Did you guys measure through Antartica and the Americas ? responding Percy writes: The meridian is measured pole to pole through the apex of the GP, so no, it does not include the Americas, but it of course includes Antarctica to the south pole. The meridian on the opposite side of the globe is referred to in your Message 5 as the "nether meridian", and it passes within 1000 miles of Hawaii. So Lindums LLM claim is measured by the same exact standard ? Why is the North pole land area excluded ? I have ALWAYS assumed LLM meant the land covered in a 360 degree revolution, that is from GP to GP. I suppose you will argue Lindum's LLM is still longer including a 360 revolution ? How can the North and South Americas be excluded ?
You've said this several times, but you just demonstrated yourself that the issues are independent I never agreed that micro issues within an issue to be independant. Only 2141 BC is separate from center and height separate from these and concavity and rectification and etc.etc. Never have I said LLM is independant - this is the desire of Ned initially.
You've said this before, too, and it was answered before. The pole to pole length of the meridian is equal to the sum of the distance over land and the distance over sea. Any meridian that crosses the most land must, by mathematical definition, cross the least amount of sea. Lindum's meridian crosses more land and less sea than the GP meridian. Not according to Message 5. I only know what my sources say.
But verifying this mathematically is the purpose of this thread. Could you please confirm these numbers for the distance along the GP meridian from the GP apex to the Mediterranean coast of Egypt: As you know I have no way of confirming any LLM figures by myself. This is why I have sources. If you are saying this is the LLM of the GP and it is not really LLM based upon the LLM determined by someone else then we are right back to where we started: You guys disagree with my sources. I do not trust your determinations based upon the total avoidance of Message 5 and previous conduct in the now closed original debate. All my evidence was ignored wholesale when it proved my claims OR assertions of fraud were made without source and evidence. You cannot have it both ways. There is no conspiracy between Cole, Rutherford, and Lemesurier and all the other spectacular evidence. Evos can deduce a fossil to be human millions of years old but the obvious and blatant evidence contained in this Pyramid is suddenly obscure and fraudulent. Dr. Rutherford is the epitome of integrity and brilliance. He is demonized arbitrarily and capriciously devoid of any evidence proving it. The best evidence for Rutherford is the focus upon his religious beliefs - he admits his bias which is based upon the evidence.
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