"The Exodus Revealed" Video II

Is it just me who is getting a sense of Deja-Vu ?Some experts without names? A T.V. show offered as evidence?Is time going backwards?

Yea, I guess Buz don't gotcha after all. Too bad the fun is gone.

The problem is that once again, you do not understand evidence. Let me try to explain. The images that I included are from those you (supporters of the validity of the Exodus Video have published). They are from the group that show things in context.In response you pull out some pictures taken out of context. You intentionally smudge out the drawings around the ones of interest to you. Frankly, that is not how evidence is gathered but rather refered to as suppressing evidence.The image that you include happens to be one that I also included. In the three pictures I posted, the top two are closeups of sections of the rock while the third was a shot of the rock itself. The image you posted is located on the lower right quadrant of the rock in picture three.What you call a clear image of an individual holding the bull, has been doctored, modified. If you will look at the original you will see that there is more to the human figure that was brushed out to make it look like only one drawing when on the rock itself you can see it is part of a montage. There are also human figures immediately behind the critter, an antelope type critter, a camel near the top, an Ibex like crtter in front of the bull and an extention, most likely phallic in nature attached to the human you say is holding up the bull.You refute my post by a classic attempt to misdirect attention, smoke and mirrors. If that was intentional it is dishonest and if it is not intentional, then I fear you are incapable of ever understanding how knowledge is aquired. Again, this is mere assertion and an appeal to authority. Since I posted similar drawings from other areas, that statement too must be questioned. You folk have never documented what this unnamed Saudi Archaeologists was or the statement.In addition, there is almost no similarities. There is an absolute difference in style, technique and sophistication between rock art from 3000 BCE and the Egyptian art of 1400 BCE. I have posted pictures to show that difference but you can also see it in the example that you used. First, you claim it is an ALTAR. An altar dedicated to the sacrifice and worship of calves. If so, you would find only drawings of calves. That is not the case.And no, the fleeing folk found food from heaven. It was called Mana.I stand by my description and frankly, not only do you have no evidence, you have once again shown that the supporters of the video are willing to cheat and lie, to modify evidence to support their commercial venture.Here is your example. and here it is in context. And again without the arrow so that all of the rock drawings can be seen.

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so let's see if we get this right:some coral that resembles some wheels - no tests performed (various reasons given Muslims hate jews etc..).An actual wheel that was taken for examination but was lost and an examinator who does not seem to have made any written notes. In addition, none of the team seem to have taken any photos of the wheel.A "burnt" mountain top that is "burnt" depending on your photos and the angle that you took the pictures from (Geological records?)A split rock - difference from a normal rock in some way we can't seem to define.Some rock drawings that tell a different picture if you take a picture of the whole rock.Various "expert" statements by people we can't seem to name.

To be fair they are named in the linkDr. Roy Knutsen "Emeritus Bible Professor" at Northwestern College - apparently a small private Bible college in St. Paul.Dr. B Michael Blaine "Archaeologist/Curator The Near East Museum" - which "The Near East Musueum" is not said, but his comments seem at odds with what I've read. (Finkelstein argues quite convincingly that the placenames best fit the situation of the 11th Century). I'd ask Brian to look it over but it seems clear to me that he is arguing as a religious apologist rather than an unbiased expert (calling Exodus "an eyewitness account" is rather a giveaway).Dr Bryant Wood - another apologist. Again, I'd ask Brian but his reports from Jericho have come in for heavy criticism.Dr. Robert Siblerud an Environmental Physiologist and apparently a real crank. He was co-founder of this defunct organisation http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE2.htmlJust read the description of this book:
http://www.wexclub.com/AncientScience/pages/inbg.html

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It begins with the most ancient of civilizations, Lemuria, the lost continent in the Pacific, and explains why the ancients called it the mother of civilizations.

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But not only is he not credible he doesn't actually say anything worth considering. All he does is repeat what someone else wrote - and there's an editorial comment to the effect that what he says is wrong.So why count him ? I guess Lysimachus was relying on nobody following it up - or, as usual he didn't bother to read it properly.

Hydarnes,Aside from quoting the bible have you discoverd a dating of the rock carvings that place them around the time of your claimed date for the exodus? You must have seen by now that your derogatory scornful insults will not establish your case here. We are not in a bar trying to see who can best denigrate an opponent. We are trying to establish a scientific explanation for phenomena.lfenThis message has been edited by lfen, 08-12-2004 04:40 PM

hi paul - sorry I should have made it clear I was refering to the experts in 475.IT IS NOW I HAVE EDITED IT PAUL!This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-12-2004 04:41 PM

OK.It does help if you try to keep responses in the "chain" of links so it is easy to follow the discussion backwards.This message has been edited by PaulK, 08-12-2004 04:50 PM

We are getting near the limit on this thread. is there any hope that anything can be resolved or is it time to just kill this nonsense?

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Jar,I say that we know what they have and I've seen nothing that would indicate Wyatt ever gathered any good data. He just needed stuff to put together an exciting video for his target audience. It's just like those infomercials, exciting claims and demonstations that can excite an audience. It's just some people who got sold on it thought they had bought science.Well, I'm a skeptic and a bit world weary. I say let it die there is nothing here.lfen

All I've seen is stall tactics.I think we've seen everything we are going to see.

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So you will withdraw that claim until you can support it?

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No I will not. Because I believe Ron Wyatt, and I know he was an honest man. I don't play by your rules.

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sigh... remember how we discussed DVD and videos? How they are not evidence? Now apply this concept to a TV show.....

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What does this have to do with anything? I never told you to download any video. Those are QUOTES! Do you know what "quotes" are? Apparently not. The words of those doctors are right there for you to read, whether it said in a video or not. So there

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so let's see if we get this right:
some coral that resembles some wheels - no tests performed (various reasons given Muslims hate jews etc..).

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An actual wheel that was taken for examination but was lost and an examinator who does not seem to have made any written notes. In addition, none of the team seem to have taken any photos of the wheel.

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A "burnt" mountain top that is "burnt" depending on your photos and the angle that you took the pictures from (Geological records?)

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A split rock - difference from a normal rock in some way we can't seem to define.

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Some rock drawings that tell a different picture if you take a picture of the whole rock.

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Various "expert" statements by people we can't seem to name.

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A matter of fact, some of these wheels were tested by credentialed scientist. His name is Dr. Lennart Moller from the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm Sweden. He specializes in studying coral structures and is able to identify whether they were once a chariot wheel. Watch is sketches on the video clip---you will see they are truly amazing. Also, the "table like structure" is clearly an axel with 2 chariot wheels on either end. Many of these objects that he analyzed under the water tested positive with a metal detector. He is a qualified scientist, whether you want to accept it or not.And even if another qualified archaeologist came in, you would start questioning his credentials, and so on. It'll go on forever Charles...can't you see? It's all rotten bias against the Bible...not objective in the least. None of you here (besides Myself, Hydarnes, Buzsaw, JimSDA, Arkeologist, and John Williams) have been objective. NOT in the LEAST!

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My rules? unless I am much mistaken it's the rule of this forum, you make a big assumption you need to back it with something. Do you think "Ron was honest" is a particuarly good answer?you also try to use those "experts" in an appeal to authority to silence both jar (post 475): And myself with post 478: The rules of this forum are clear: Make your points by providing supporting evidence and/or argument. Avoid bare assertions. Because it is often not possible to tell which points will prove controversial, it is acceptable to wait until a point is challenged before supporting it.I am making that challenge - provide names or withdraw the claim.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-12-2004 07:49 PMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-12-2004 07:51 PM

Sketches are not evidence. Actually, no it's not. The table like structure is not an unusual coral formation at all. Here is another photo of a similar coral formation. We have already shown using your own posts that the folk in the video are more than willing to not only surpress evidence but to actually modify it and falsify it.

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