Come and get me, right wingers!

Purpledawn, I stand corrected. Thanks

First of all I wasn't really labeling anybody, sorry if you felt I was. I was trying to grab people's attention with a fiery title. Seems to have worked. No. I believe the Bible is the 'abridged' or 'edited' copy of God's word. No doubt there's some deep messages in those texts, but I'm positive humans have done some major tampering. After all, ruining other people's stuff is what we do best. Only by the blood of Christ was mankind saved. His blood's been shed. We're saved. I think that should count for everybody, not just those lucky enough to pick the right road to salvation out of the 1000s of offers out there. Excellent. Your chi has been honed to an impressive level. No no no... ugh! I shouldn't have put #5 in to begin with! I didn't say I'd preach about knees, elbows, and triangle holds; I was seeing who would condemn me to hell just for participating in a sport which happens to be set in a five foot steel cage. I was told by a fellow preacher-to-be that I was going to hell for practicing a violent sport and the church would have nothing to do with an evil doer like me. That's why I put that. Neither is tolerance, at least if we're including OT. According to the old testament, a good guy like you should have lots of foreign slaves and seven sexy heathen girls feeding you grapes. Please don't tag me on the details; you're intelligent enough to know what I meant.By the way, when I first came on this forum I read a few threads with your posts in it. You're certainly strong in your faith and competent enough to avoid circular reasoning, so I'm glad you've decided to participate with this topic.

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Doesn't matter. If it's from God(which I believe it is), fine! It's certainly inborn, though, seeing as atheists can be just as moral. No matter where it's from, it's certainly not from the old testament.I said: Do you or do you not think that we should have slaves because the Bible says so? Yes or no?You didn't answer the question. Please answer it. Yes or no? From next post on I won't answer any of your questions until you answer this. It's okay to be detailed. I sort of agree. But people's hearts are still hard today. All that would be needed to end slavery was all the people up top demanding it to stop. I doubt God just said 'okay boys, getcher peasant girlies! After all, ya'll don't know no better.'NO. If I were the Divine High Counsel, I would've impeeched the yahoo who decided to slack off like that! The truth is simple:Those parts about slavery ARE NOT divinely inspired.

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Again, title was designed to spur debate. Seems to have worked. Follower of Christ? Yes.Believing a literal interpretation of Genesis? No. [b]Wavy flashback sequence[/qs]Was, until I flipped to a random page at youth group that said wives should submit to their husbands and obey them as they husbands obey God. I brought it up to a girl right next to me and she said 'well, that's the author's opinion.' I was stunned: There were AUTHORS of the Bible? I figured they were laws that were orally passed down until somebody wrote it. I knew the submitting thing was wrong, and when I realized that obviously a human being had to write it down for it to be in a book, I concluded that the Bible was not 100% correct.end wavy flashback sequence Sure could with everyone going door to door with different messages about Christ.See above for just one reason that the Bible is not entirely correct. Screw the times, what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If God's willing to compromise what's right then He's not a righteous God. That's not our God to do something like that, wouldn't you agree? Except it really doesn't like non-Israelis(OT).And it's perfectly okay to kill a bunch of people cause Pharoah pissed you off(Exodus)And to steal somebody else's land cause a voice in your head said it was yours.(One word:Schitsophrenia!!) Which opinion? There were a few in the Bible. [qs]Show me some verses from the OT that say this.[qs] Glad you asked! Here's a little from Exodus 21 for starters:2."When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, but on the seventh he shall go out a free person without debt."Sounds nice, except for the first grueling six years. Don't worry kids, it gets better."3.If he comes in single, he shall go out single. If he comes in married, his wife goes with him."I'll leave this one alone because the next one is just priceless. But just ask yourself:What if he gets married during slavery? Exodus has got it covered!
4."If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her(the wife's) master's and he(the husband) shall go out alone."Wonderful. A prime example of God's mercy at it's finest! Guess it sucks for the wife and gets being doomed. But who cares about women,anyway, because the husband gets to go out and hit some more!Oh, and read on to 21:12 for the laws concerning violence. Lotsa fun right there too!I'll write more soon but I'm getting kicked off the computer!

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Depends. I've had a couple JWs come, as well as a group of Catholics. I've also had some protestant factions come and invite me to Easter celebrations etc. Back before modern medicine, I'd say sickness would be much worse than fire and brimstone. Kills you slowly, and there's no dodging it like you could a falling brimstone. The point being Egypt as a whole shouldn't have been punished for their stupid leader even if they follow his orders for fear of getting killed for being unpatriotic. You wouldn't like it if a terrorist started wreaking havoc in a local minimall because he hates Bush's foreign policy, right? I don't buy manifest destiny. Ask a conservative, full-blooded Native American about how that works, assuming you can find one.Also:Finders keepers. So? Lots of people don't know I exist. I don't go kicking them around just because of that. Guess it sucks for any child born a non-chosen, huh? That just doesn't seem right unless you can explain otherwise. Doesn't matter. Slavery is wrong. God could've said "Israel, DONT MAKE THEM SLAVES!!!"Who would argue with that? I have no doubt God was allowing us to go our path, but please don't try to defend slavery as something moral. Who cares what the code was back then? God could've changed it in a heartbeat; just because he didn't interfere and stop it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong. Guess that idea was squelched come the dark ages, eh? Sorry, but that's how it's always been and will be for some time. Doesn't make it right.And that doesn't even begin to justify letting a male slave go and keeping his wife and kids for the rest of their lives. That's wrong. No two ways to it. You know, I took a look around and couldn't find it. I'd appriciate it if you could tell me where it is so I could have a look.Sorry, I'm not a very good topic finder.Oh, and I realize I was going to write more and got kicked off. If you'd like me to write more that's fine, but I think we've already got a discussion going on Exodus right now.Thanks again for the discussion.

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Tis true. You get a point there. However, still doesn't mean it's 100% accurate. That's good, because questioning is risky business. However, we've all seen what happens when nobody questions authority when it does something worth questioning(or alledgedly does something in this case). What do actual historians have to say about that? I don't think it was anybody's land to begin with. And who gave them that choice? Their conquerors. Their conquerors gave them the lose-lose choice. That's not very nice. But oh well, they still do that today in a lot of places. Not that it's right. Kill their leaders and anybody else they look to for hope and you can make peasants out of them after a generation. Assimilation, not extermination. That's why abolition of slavery happened here(eventually):Because it's wrong. I'm not. It's wrong, that's all she wrote. Sorry, but maybe I'm just all for saying it was wrong. Who cares how it was, it could still be wrong. Wanted?! Sorry, but no dice there. I would love to think that the Bible is 100% accurate historically, but it's not. That's the way it is. True, without the Bible we wouldn't know about Jesus. In that respect and some others I think it's right. Jesus acts the way a personinification of God would: Morally sound.I don't condemn the Bible or any book in it, by the way. I just don't think all of them are nonfiction. If I can't find the passage I couldn't really get the message, now could I? Just a thought Observation.

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I don't understand why. If the parables are to be taken seriously and didn't happen, why would it make a difference if other biblical events were fictional? Other religions come up with very similar stuff of equal magnititude. You don't believe they all happened, do you?

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Well said; I can't either.Now, Jesus is one thing I do believe existed. There's too much hustle and bustle about His birthday and such to deny that something went down about 2000 years ago that's still in effect today. Right now I'm studying this point on my own time, reading about accounts of a 'historical Jesus', who isn't that much different than the Biblical Jesus aside from a few less miracles. Jesus is the Son of God, so naturally His existence is more important to me than any other person depicted in the Bible. If He's real and authentic, then there must be a God who sent Him down. If that's the case, I can be certain there is a God who is infinitely righteous. That's all I need; who cares if some of the older stories are morality plays.

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And with the above statement in mind, I think I'm gonna remind everyone that the topic is about whether or not a Christian minister who does NOT believe much(or almost all) of the old testament to literal history. Please look back to the original post for details.THIS IS NOT ABOUT DISPROVING THE BIBLE! THERE IS AN ENTIRE FORUM DEDICATED TO THAT! IT'S ALSO NOT ABOUT INSULTING PEOPLE FOR THEIR BELIEFS OR LACK THEREOF. PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC AND DON'T TURN THIS INTO AN INSULT CONTEST OR I WILL BREAK YOUR PATELLAS.God bless you all, regardless of what you think of Him.

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Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)

I'm gonna have to agree with Messenjah here. Those comments were over stepping.

I have to ask. What were you eating in your last avatar?