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contracycle
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Message 212 of 354 (144039)
09-23-2004 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by riVeRraT
09-23-2004 9:02 AM


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So believing in these things requires an element of faith. I do pocess some of this faith, but at least I am honest and admit it.
No, you are not honest; because you use the term "faith" to encompass both the expectation that the sun will rise again tomorrow and the completely invisible magical fairy you call god.
These two things are not alike, and to describe them with the same term is just to manipulate words.
You have REASON to expect the sun will come up tomorrow. You do NOT have reason to believe in god. Yo say that these are the same is dishonest.

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contracycle
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Message 245 of 354 (144400)
09-24-2004 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by riVeRraT
09-23-2004 10:11 AM


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This is where you are wrong. Really really wrong.
No, I'm not.
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Faith comes in different levels. Some things require more faith than others. It all depends how much you know about it.
Thus you confirm my charge - your whole argument depends on a manipulation of the term faith to describe radically different things.
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But believing in God for everyone is different. I say for myself that I found God through studying the bible, and asking Jesus into my life. I believed he was there by faith for many years.
So what? You believe it - its still not true in any sense, is it?
Yet you previously admitted that in the case of the sun, we know things about it. So you recobnise the distinction between a "belief" you read in a book of lies, and thing you actually know and understand.
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So you see, I have many reasons for believing in God. They may be subjestive to you, but they aren't to me.
Umm, thats exactly what makes them subjective. Unlike the suns rotation around the earth, which is objective.
Thus, again, you confirm my charge that your position is totally illogical and manipulative; you are categorising both objective knowledge and subjective opinion into the term "faith", andf then claiming that all knowledge is a form of faith.
Thats a deliberate deception. Yes I know good from evil, thats why I know christians lie.

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