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jar
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Message 4 of 161 (173179)
01-02-2005 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by idontknowagoodname
01-02-2005 8:56 PM


'Cause it be cold.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 77 of 161 (176745)
01-13-2005 8:48 PM
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01-13-2005 8:35 PM


Re: RAZD8=RAZD
We missed you.

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jar
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Message 84 of 161 (177658)
01-16-2005 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Abshalom
01-16-2005 8:09 PM


Re: This Whole Reduction of Hair for Running Down Prey Thing
You keep making the mistake that there is design, purpose or direction to evolution.
So, why haven't hyenas specialized through the hair reduction stage according to this long range stalking theory?
Because the mutation that causes it hasn't happened within their population yet.
Remember, the mutations are totally random. There is no purpose or direction or design. It does not happen to make something better, more complex, superior. The mutations just happen.

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jar
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Message 86 of 161 (177669)
01-16-2005 9:03 PM
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01-16-2005 8:50 PM


Re: This Whole Reduction of Hair for Running Down Prey Thing
Not sure we are saying anything different.
selection pressure that favors finer haired individual will allow them to take a more prominent role within the group, will allow their offspring to spread the characteristic into the general population
Agreed. But that does not seem to have happened within the hyenas.
similar pressure on similar species will result in similar (but not identical) reactions.
Only if the potential is there. There have to be finer haired individuals and in addition, the finer hair must actually provide an advantage when it comes to living long enough to reproduce.
If
  1. the mutation that leads to finer hair is missing,
  2. the finer haired individuals do not have a significant advantage when it comes to reproducing,
then you will not see the emergence of finer haired individuals.

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jar
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Message 88 of 161 (177685)
01-16-2005 9:55 PM
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01-16-2005 9:50 PM


Re: This Whole Reduction of Hair for Running Down Prey Thing
But I didn't eliminate sexual selection? All that matters is the history, what did happen. It's nice to know the mechanisms but that's after the fact. The steps are that the potential must be present in the population. The we see what happens after the filter, selection.
I am not supporting the running in heat model, or the sexual selection model. That's still to be determined. My best guess is that it will turn out to be a multi-stage filter.
I think I remember sex. It was good IIRC. Enjoy?

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jar
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Message 97 of 161 (178110)
01-18-2005 10:38 AM
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01-18-2005 10:33 AM


Re: This Whole Reduction of Hair for Running Down Prey Thing
However, there is also the possibility the mutation that causes finer hair is associated with a mutation that does provide advantage.
Of course. I'm not sure exactly what point you're making though?
To be valuable information we'd need to know what the physiological result of that other mutation was and what advantage it may have provided.

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jar
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Message 104 of 161 (178775)
01-19-2005 10:10 PM
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01-19-2005 10:05 PM


Re: This Whole Reduction of Hair for Running Down Prey Thing
But is there such a relationship or is this simply speculation?

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