evolution calculations

If I provided a mathmatical model that proved cows can fly or that proved that birds could not, would it have value?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

There's a question I've been wanting to ask that goes to the issue of "Use of Language".One quote that's come up here is... With your background and grounding in math, can you tell me which is larger, 3 or a few?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It gets even more interesting. Can you point out where in the full text or abstract of the linked article it even mentions beneficial mutations?From the content of the linked article how can we determine how many beneficial mutations there were?The statement made is frankly, false and misleading on several levels.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Agreed, It goes back to the question I asked in Message 10.Calculations and formulas are fascinating and lovely to look at, but they are not reality. Nothing in either the abstract or full text of the article dealt with what is as opposed to what is estimated.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

There is little incentive to convince a Creationist and by Creationist I mean those who support a direct creation of humans. For the most part, it is a unrewarding task. In the second place it's impossible.Creationists really consist of two distinct and seperate groups. There are the liars, those that head up AIG or ICR, for example, or the televangelists like Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Gene Scott or the folk at TBN. They know that what they are teaching is false but have an economic incentive in continuing to lie to the second group.The second group are the gullible. They have been sold a line of goods by the Snake Oil salesmen hawking Creationism from the rear of Medicine Wagons. They will eventually evolve on their own to one of two positions. They will decide the on their own to really look at the evidence or continue buying from the Medice Wagon. Eitherway, the it will be something they do on their own, it cannot be driven from outside.The idea of a calculation to show evolution possible is simply stupid. Evolution happened. It's a fact.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Ah, the Map is not the Territory.So true. Well, I tend to think I'm a very Christian person. But what does that have to do with the absurdity of Creationism?The thread is on evolution calculations. If you look at what I posted in Message 10 you will see why I believe such tasks are simply stupid.We know Evolution happened. The evidence is simply overwhelming. We have a theory, the TOE which has done a remarkable job explaining how it happened. In 150+ years of testing, not only has it withstood all challenges, ever new development has confirmed it. The TOE is an extremely well supported theory.To return to the idea of mathmatical models, one that shows evolution possible would be as functional as one that shows birds can fly. We can determine that birds fly by observation regardless of the model.On the otherhand, and that show evolution impossible have about as much validity as one that showed cows can fly or that birds can't. We can determine the facts of either of those propositions through the same act of observation. Cows can't and birds can, regardless of the model.So it is with Evolution. The facts, the evidence is there.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yeah but you're much better looking than she is.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Wow. Then this will be an exciting time for you. Stick around and you'll find many examples of evolution including within the Primates like you and me and chimps. But it has nothing to do with this thread. Kinda off the wall assertion there. Also has nothing to do with the topic. If you have ANY evidence of that please start a thread on the subject. Nonsense. I KNOW evolution happened because of the evidence. But that's not what this topic is about. Let's stick to the topic. Glad to discuss that with you in an appropriate thread but it is totaly off topic here.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion