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arachnophilia
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Message 198 of 209 (197522)
04-07-2005 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by nator
04-07-2005 8:47 AM


Oh, so your philosophical opinions about how we use the words "sex" and "gender" are "objective reality" now?
no. not a philosophical opinion.
sex = objective reality
gender = subjective and based on cultural bias.
Also, what "evidence" is crashfrog "throwing away"?
considering we were talking about something completely fictionally, i would consider the intentions of the producers, artist, and director to be substantial evidence.

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arachnophilia
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Message 199 of 209 (197523)
04-07-2005 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by crashfrog
04-07-2005 4:19 PM


Re: consolidated response.
If the two of you are too lazy to look up an accepted dictionary definition of a word
hi. look up in the thread a bit. i believe i posted the definition, including the fact that it is explicitly linked to biological sex.
perhaps you should look up the accept dictionary definition. you're using it in a sense that is not correct in any area accept womens' studies classes.
and it's not that i don't understand. i've taken those classes. i think they're wrong, and incredibly biased.

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arachnophilia
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Message 200 of 209 (197524)
04-07-2005 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by nator
04-07-2005 2:37 PM


problematizing.
Oh my God, I am so glad I mostly stayed away from the humanities.
hahahahahaha. best post ever.

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arachnophilia
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Message 206 of 209 (197585)
04-07-2005 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by crashfrog
04-07-2005 6:40 PM


Re: consolidated response.
What I still wonder is how you missed the second definition, which you quoted, which explicitly referred to the qualities culturally associated with sex.
quote:
including the fact that it is explicitly linked to biological sex.
yes. hey look, we're saying the same thing. the only thing is one of does not understand that it starts with biology, an objective reality, and is then applied at a social level; how that particular sex is treated. IT DOES NOT GO IN REVERSE.
aside from that, it's culturally relative, as much as i hate to use that concept. what OUR culture associates with men may not be what another culture does.
it's about analyzing the biases inherent in a particular society. this is how women behave. this is how men behave, from an outside perspective. so you can talk about certain gender biases. you, on the other hand, are STARTING with that gender bias, and using it to interpret something else.
since the definition hinges on the sex on the thing in general, applying a gender to something sexless is pure idiocy. tell me, what behavioural, cultural, or psychological traits are associated with androgyny in alien culture? hmm?
like i said, it's an invalid technique.
How stupid do you think I am, Arach?
i don't believe i can answer that honestly without an admin stepping in.
Did you really think that you could post a definition of a word that would confirm my usage of the word and that I wouldn't notice? Maybe the better question is, how stupid are you to have apparently done exactly that?
i dunno, since you are incapable of following logical order in sentance...
Why should I be bothered to have a conversation with someone as lazy as you?
why should be bothered to have a conversation with someone who is continually condescending and mean inspite of their own obvious ignorance?

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arachnophilia
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Message 207 of 209 (197586)
04-07-2005 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by crashfrog
04-07-2005 6:41 PM


Considering we were talking about how images would be recieved by an audience, those intentions, which would not have been avaliable to the audience, are not substantial evidence of any kind.
have you seen alien? did you see it when it came out in 1979? how do you know how audiences received it, never having watched it yourself.
i will admit that SOME saw the adult alien as male. but i've only heard this interpretation from specific subset of people. never fans, never idle viewer.

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arachnophilia
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Message 208 of 209 (197588)
04-07-2005 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by crashfrog
04-07-2005 6:43 PM


Can we close this thread, already?
hah.
and while I would just as soon disengage from Arach, he's given every indication that he's going to use my abstention to make me look like an idiot with his disingenuous, dishonest charactures of my position
did you, or did you not argue that a female pompilidae is "culturally male" because it "impregnates" another species?
if i'm making you look like an idiot, it's because your position is one of idiocy.

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