rape culture/victim culture

no no. of course men go to the work force to wimp out from house work and raising feminist brats. i mean. it's certainly not because women have gotten spoiled and view any man who doesn't work as a louse and yet expect these men to provide for them while they send the kids off to daycare and sit around watching soaps all day. but god help us if we even look like we're gonna do anything to prevent them from working outside the home cause they'll throw a hissy fit about being oppressed and blah blah they gave up their career to bear you children blah blah. no. the bitches need to take responsibility to wanting to squeeze out their own shitty, useless garbage disposals and raising them fat and lazy and bratty.

no i don't really. i just hate people making excuses for why they simply complain about things and don't do anything about it.i was responding to this

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...or maybe they are spending more time at work because it is easier than taking care of the kids and the house.

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and of course contracycle's age old rant about how women's careers are interrupted by children. in our day in age, having children is a choice. if a woman really wants a career, then she has to consider that in her family planning agenda. if she wants children, then she either has to sacrifice and squeeze them out or adopt and hire a nanny. in which case she doesn't really have children now does she? why can't the man have the child? why because god and mother nature are sexist of course!*shakes head*

btw. i don't hate women. i do, however, hold great rancor for stupid people who try to find some ridiculous excuse for why they failed calculus (the easiest course in the world) or to draw attention away from their own laziness and put it on their "choice" which they never exercise. i don't hate women any more than i hate men. human beings are inherently stupid (yes, i acknowledge my part in this group, with great shame.) and they all run around in their self-important lives doing stupid things that have no meaning. watch people long enough. just go out and sit at the mall or some other vile place and watch them. they look and act like monkeys after a while. they preen each other and shriek and hit and... it's disgusting. and it's quite telling. we make all these theories about this and that and so many people assume that we're the culmination of some great thing... not at all.haha. silly you, you drew it out.

exactly my point. yes the father needs to get in on the planning, but my point is that it's no huge interruption in the woman's career unless she wants it to be. she doesn't have to stay home for more than a week (depending on her birth methods) so it's really not a big deal. if she chooses to stay home until the child is "old enough for day care" (they have infant care now ) that is a choice she makes to pause her career. no one should have to give her any undue accomodations. yeah don't fire her, but don't pay her, she's not working (at the place of business).it would be like. oh. i want a puppy. i think i should get a paid vacation from work until i can potty train it. and i think this because i'm a woman and i've been opressed for centuries.

*sigh*no.

i suppose giving both parental leave is a reasonable idea but certainly not just the woman. but i disagree that most children are born after careful consideration of both parties. most children are born due to the total lack of consideration of either or both parties.but my main point is not that men work and force their women to stay home, rather that women stay home and force their men to work.

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yes well. of course i'm ignorant on the subject. i'm not a woman and i have never met any.and i don't live in the third richest county in the world wherein things like this happen all the time.*addendum*further, tell me one feminist you know who would condsider dating a man who doesn't work, one who would 'leech' off her. no. she'd call him a coward and suggest that his intentions are to gain glory or something from all her hard work while he's just sitting around being lazy. now maybe they'll consider making an agreement after marriage where he works less or has an at home job or something and that he stays home with the kids (my brother and his fiancee have made such an agreement for once she graduates) but she'll never date a non-working man.finally. i'm not really a misogynist. i think men are stupid, too. but then i accept that it is a societal training which makes women into cruel, conniving, useless bitches and men into, well, assholes.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 03-28-2005 10:39 AM

was this a temporary unemployment or a permanent one. you tell me what i was referring to mr swiftie.

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Originally posted by crashfrog:

The alien reproduces by the forced implantation of material into other beings. How can you see that as ungendered? It's so hypermasculine that it emasculates the male victims by comparison; and then is defeated by the feminine. It's very gendered.

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it reproduces in two separate cycles, like a moss. how is that male?
female hornets of many carieties lay their eggs inside of or on a paralyzed victim. they're still very female.
i see no reason for your assertion that the creature is male especially based on knowledge of the intentions of the producers etc.

you need a hobby.

in school is like potential energy for making wages. it is easily and obviously included in my formula. in fact. i thought it was so obvious as not to mention it. 'leeching' means utter lack of responsible activity. ie "running a household" by hiring a maid and sending the kids to daycare.

i'm speaking of a specific and prevalent social disease that is present (if no where else) here in palm beach county. it's real, it's resounding, and it's huge. the women spend all day out shopping or pursuing some random odd fascination (like lipo or something) while they delegate their tasks to some immigrant who will do it for a cheap wage.i am well aware that there are many women who do raise their kids (and a few who even do it well) but ask the media (and thus popular opinion) what a woman''s life should be like.

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Originally posted by schrafinator:

A segment of the rich minority are like this.

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That is hardly anything even close to what you originally said, which was:

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"but my main point is not that men work and force their women to stay home, rather that women stay home and force their men to work."

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You made no qualifier that this was for rich people.

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it isn't just rich people though. there are plenty of not so rich women who could very easily be better breadwinners than their husbands and yet aren't because of whatever reason. that to me is inefficient and poor family planning. and you wander around and tell me how many women raise their children well. yeah. that's why american kids are lazy and badly behaved and spoiled.

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Yuo mean like sit-coms, where the thin, attractive spunky and smart stay at home mom is married to the overweight and/or bumbling but funny husband?

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no i mean "reality" tv and standard fare prime time stuff and the news and those 60 minutes stories and movies and music. it's all about leisure time (for everyone, fairly) and rarely depicts a mother working (unless that's the point of the movie, etc) either in or out of the home.

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and you wander around and tell me how many women raise their children well.

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I did? When did I do that?

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i suggested that you ought.

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Yuo mean like sit-coms, where the thin, attractive spunky and smart stay at home mom is married to the overweight and/or bumbling but funny husband?

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no i mean "reality" tv

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Like Survivor and Fear Factor, where the women and men do the same thing?

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no. like the things that are supposed to be about real people not stupid tools doing crap for money.

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and standard fare prime time stuff

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You mean like Everybody Loves Raymond, Tool Time, Roseanne, and Grace under Fire?

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funny. all of those are precisely about the woman's role in the house. i meant outside of things that are specifically about such. and i was more specifically speaking of news story shows and other such things. sitcoms are mindless drivel for the masses. any analysis beyond that is folly.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 03-29-2005 11:29 PM