rape culture/victim culture

and this is why i hate feminists. they're all condescending and self-important. at least i have the decency to support a position i do not hold simply because it's valid enough to be recognized as being held and thus worth listening to. you people simply go off half-cocked about crap you don't have any idea about. you know the argument you're having right now? it's because of academic feminism. it's even in a book by an academic feminist. i don't know which one because i avoided that class and my friend threw the book away. congratulations, you all suck.

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Originally posted by holmes:
No, this is also inaccurate. The vagina expands an contracts to fit the penis. Yes, a girl that does not want to have sex, or is stressed in some way may not relax and indeed clamp down causing pain to both people. But if willing, there is generally no problem with having penetration.

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The exception to this is the breaking of the hymen which is not contingent on muscle relaxation.

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the hymen is a myth. most women do not have one by the time they have sex or the first time. often it is broken prior by some blunt force trauma (like horseback riding or a fall) and even more often it is not a fully covering membrane and even receeds during growth.#2.
the vaginal walls expand and contract to sexual excitement, not to fit a penis. while this may seem like a minor distinction, possessing one myself, i assure you it is not. further, most vaginas (a statement from unplanned polls of people i have spoken to on the matter) need to go through an experience period (usually approaching six months of regular activity) before they can experience pain-free sex. that is all.

i know the hymen exists. but it's perserverence is generally false. further, it can generally be stretched by foreplay type activities (when it has perservered) and then never break. it may seem a foolish argument, but the blood from the breaking of the hymen (or the lack thereof) has killed many women of whom proof of their virginity was required.the difference is that the penis itself does not cause the vagina to expand comfortably (because it will inherently cause it to expand) whereas sexual excitement will. my argument is that there is no real difference between the 'training' time of the anus and the vagina. the vagina will tear if forced as well.those i spoke to took around six months. as did i. i'm not responsible for any other information. as i said, it was an informal, accidental poll.

i was, rather, referring to momentary pains during sex and not an all-around painful experience. those are generally not related to arousal but rather to say, slipping and going in too far whereas a few months later that doesn't matter. and yes i realize it is anecdotal and worthless. everything about humanity is anecdotal.

holy crap i almost agree with you on this.

how does randomly labeling stuff help us understand ourselves? it doesn't. that's crap. youre simply problematizing. mountain out of a molehill. people are idiots and don't get along. it's not because some are male and some are female; it is because all are stupid and selfish.

well if that was because he didn't understand the terminology, then you are at fault for not defining yourself. which you have, previously stated as being something you don't like to do. apparently it's because it leaves you an out of a losing argument to go back and say 'oh but you just didn't understand what i meant'. then define your terms. you're being an ass. stop.

i'm so glad i never really took a feminism class.

look. you said earlier that when you said gender, you meant that other people held this opinion and you did not and this is inherent in the definition of the word gender. and now, once again, you are backtracking and disagreeing with yourself by changing your argument. i agree that this thread should be closed so we can hereafter ignore your idiocy.