A Working Definition of God

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Then you don't have evidence, you have opinion. Again, do you fail to see the difference?

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Absolutely "fail" to see the difference. You have a silly artificial idea of what evidence is.

Wrong in several places. First, dogma is the incorrect term for my views of the world. Second, they aren't my standards. Third, what you call "evidence" isn't. Fourth, if something has no evidence, I see no reason to believe in it. Last, it isn't "my" world. It is the world. It exists on it's own terms and my opinions of it do not effect it. By applying the standards that I do, I have a chance of learning how the world works.

At least you admit your failure, which is a step in the right direction. I will do you the favor of starting a thread in which we can discuss this for your edification and stop taking up time in Dan's thread.

Never mind, Mike beat my smarmy comment to the punch.This message has been edited by [Dan's Clever Alias], 04-19-2005 12:33 PM

No Mike, you have it backwards because the ruler of this world is God's enemy, so all you'll ever know is how the world works, because you are of the world.God says everything(universe) evidences God. (the truth)You say that God must evidence that he made the universe, (a backward perversion of truth, and a sin against God).So I know EXACTLY what you people consider evidence. Soft dino tissue evidences that it survives millions of years, instead of being a falsification of MOY like it really is, which is apparently, logically - more important than a confirmation in science, yet you say "the dino is simply old according to my naturalistic - cell to critter philosophy." Shouldn't your law say that this falsification is much more important than confirmations like so called transitionals?God says not to murder, and certainly not harm any little ones.the enemy makes it legal to murder, especially little ones.B A C K W A R D

You do realize that your entire position is based on the unproven a priori assumption of the existence of "god" and the infallibility of the bible, don't you?Talk about being in a box.

Right on, that sounds like a LOT of fun.

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You never know who's reading and may get the point in spite of this nutty naturalistic dogma here.

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Hmm, the idea of verifiable, reliable cause and effect in nature that anyone, regardless of religious belief, can also witness and observe and experience, that ha led to cures for disease, space exploration, vaccinations, and computers.Yeah, that's pretty nutty.Silly, one might say.

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Well. you've been a member longer than I, but these guys are for science and seem to worship it as their naturalistic god of the elements.

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Uh, no.Science is a verygood method for figuring things out about nature.That's all it is.

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They seem to not be able to see past it so much that it dominates their time.

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Huh?

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The wool is over their eyes so much that they think science means that God doesn't exist anymore unless they have tangeable evidence.

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Arrogance and condescention.

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Backwards, just as the enemy wants it. It's the big authority of their time, and they obey it, and stay in the land of boxed thought.

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I could believe in a lot of things that have no evidence.Why should I pick one over any other without some reason to?How do I know it isn't just cultural?Why didn't you pick Zoroastrianism, or Wicca, mike?

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If your scriptures come true, It will pretty much have to be because of a human or natural agency and will be a coincidence.

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Ooooo, dig the DOGMA there.

Don't need another thread.I'd be happy to discuss WHAT God is, only Dan seems to have dropped the ball long ago and meanwhile the usual challenges to the Christian God have moved in.

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God says not to murder, and certainly not harm any little ones.

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Sure he does:Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.I mean, have you actually read the Bible, mike? God tells people to murder all the time. see a list of God-ordered death and destruction, plagues, wars, revenge, and slavery here

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You do realize that your entire position is based on the unproven a priori assumption of the existence of "god" and the infallibility of the bible, don't you?

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Sure isn't in my case, I don't know about his. I had to come to recognize God, was very far from an a priori assumption about God. Had to be shown that he exists.God went to great lengths to prove His reality and His character. Miracles, pillars of fire and cloud, parting of the Red Sea, plagues upon Egypt, the passover of the Jewish firstborn, oh so many things God did to prove to us who He is.Nobody can "prove" that anything in particular happened in the past like those miracles. They left no physical evidence. Nobody can "prove" the truth of the Bible. You either have the grace to recognize the truthfulness of the people who reported those things or you don't.This is witness evidence rather than physical evidence. You are perfectly free to discount it altogether, but if it's telling the truth you will never ever get to recognize it as long as you insist on having physical evidence.

We've got:God is a Father (not a Mother)
Christ is merely a perception of God and is not God the Father
The Holy Spirit is not God, but a messenger of perception Now we've got:When looking for God by the perception messenger you see that Christ (who is not God) is the image of God. ??????? So he is before things which are inside him to hold them together.
Yes, makes total sense. And more sense:
He is the head of a body. The body is the church.Wait wait, the rest of it makes so little sense that I can't even make proper fun of it. Unless all this was tongue in cheek, I see why you call yourself the devolver, since your post devolved very quickly into nonsense.

I'm terribly sorry. Next time I'll do a better job of...Okay, I can't even think of a sarcastic response to this nonsense. I asked a question. As of yet, no one's given a complete or coherent answer. How that adds up to me dropping the ball, I don't know.But don't worry... I'm sure you have mountains of evidence to support the existence of... I dunno, whatever this thing's supposed to be.