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Phat
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Message 22 of 81 (206133)
05-08-2005 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
05-07-2005 7:46 PM


Re: I Know of What Lam Speaks
I can relate to what you are talking about, Percy. I have a union job at Safeway. I am 45 years old now and started in Grocery stores when I was 27--at Cub Foods. I worked my way "up" into a fulltime job with good benefits only to see the company face competition from Wal-Mart and cheaper labor (so they claim). If I were to work 40+ hours a week at Wal-Mart, I would barely earn what I now earn in 27 hours a week at Safeway.
I am facing health issues in my life and I simply cannot put in 40+ hours consistantly. The younger workers will happily do it and will accept the $8.00 an hour vs the $15.66 that I am earning.
I can understand the need to cut labor costs in order to compete. What I cannot understand is the fact that no CEOs ever take cuts in money. This needs to change. CEOs do not have a more important job than anyone else. Limit them to a max of ten million!
Were it not for the union, my job security would not exist.

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Message 46 of 81 (206347)
05-09-2005 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by coffee_addict
05-08-2005 9:34 PM


troy writes:
I occasionally apply for jobs at places and there are always older applicants there. The thing is the younger ones are the ones that get hired most of the time.
This is why Unions are still a good thing. At Safeway, they have hired as many of us older workers as they have younger ones AND they gave us prior experience wages based on our worth....only because of the union. I will say that I cannot work as many hours as I used to...chiefly because of my diabetes. I would be adamant against ever having to work for less, either.
Rrhain writes:
(*chuckle*)
Just how old do you think I am?
Based on that picture of yours, I would say that you are 35-45. Except when you get cranky..then you are 65!
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Message 55 of 81 (206491)
05-09-2005 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by coffee_addict
05-09-2005 10:50 AM


Old farts are not replaceable parts
stormwolfx2x writes:
I'm interested in what you guys think about immigrants in the workforce.
Like younger workers,(according to troy) immigrants are willing to work longer hours for less pay...
Immigration is a fact of life in America, and it is a way for Social Security to get paid for later Americans IF we tax the money of these people as we tax our own workers.
As to the issue directly,
Charles Knight writes:
And why shouldn't they? it's the market in action!
True enough, but the downside of this "market in action" is that blue collar labor gets pushed aside while white collar CEO's keep their jobs! America needs to look out for its citizens or we will become like Britain with a wider class disparity.
Percy,to Rrhain writes:
The point is that everyone's performance level declines with age, and that older expensive workers can be easily replaced by younger, cheaper and better performing workers. Experience can make up the difference, but as I pointed out in previous posts, the fast moving high-tech world often leaves workers with experience that is no longer valued.
Which is why I support seniority as a mandated workplace rule. (Unions are the only source of clout able to enforce this)
troy,referring to older workers writes:
I am saying, and have always been saying, that they shouldn't be expected to work the same way they worked 40 years earlier. If some of them can, good for them.
I absolutely agree. There should be some perks earned with age.
The bottem line should not be the arbitrator...or else society will have to tax the heck out of those greedy CEO's in order to support retirement programs. One way or another, it must get done.

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Message 65 of 81 (206935)
05-11-2005 4:47 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by nator
05-10-2005 8:14 AM


Schraff writes:
Now, there is the economic issue of companies wanting to pay people less, but they may often be pushing out very valuable workers who really do a better job overall than their younger replacements. Older workers have interpersonal and leadership skills and experience that young workers have yet to develop.
Many, many, many companies underestimate the detrimental long-term effect of high turnover on their service to customers, internal morale and willingness of their staff to care about the company, lack of cohesion and a sense of team/family among the staff, and new-worker training costs.
Methinks it all has to do with the rising costs of healthcare. When I was younger, I abused myself daily and woke refreshed the next day. Now I take care of myself and get plenty of sleep yet my Doctor bills are quite extravagent.
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