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RAZD
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Message 26 of 81 (206205)
05-08-2005 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Asgara
05-07-2005 8:42 PM


Re: I Know of What Lam Speaks
Me too, but:
I think it depends a little on the {person\talents\situation}
After my previous job was 'outsourced' I was able to find new employment that is better than what I had before and in a better location for me (closer to my elderly parents and other family), and thus I am now {better off re long term goals) than I was two years ago (ignoring for now the debts incurred from keeping a kid in college in the interim).
It took a year of beating on doors in over 7 states with hat in hand. and I count myself lucky.
my brother has more technical training but it is also more specific and he is in his third year of unemployment after grant funding was cut off in his specialty (radio astronomy) and the training he has is anachronistic now, while the young 'turks' have more relevant skills.
outsourcing of jobs to countries that do not have the babyboom problem is a factor that counters your comforting thought on need for workers, but it can't apply to all jobs.
there is also a problem of megacorps exporting profits and importing wages.
I also worry about the quality of work available for the next generations.

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RAZD
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Message 28 of 81 (206214)
05-08-2005 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Rrhain
05-08-2005 5:55 PM


just a note.
strictly speaking "life expectancy" stats have a problem.
the expectancy of a 50 year old getting to 80 is higher than it is for a 20 year old because they have already survived to 50.
the life expectancy of a 20 year old is also more than the general "life expectancy" statistic used because it is calculated from birth.
this is a major problem when comparing life expectancies of different cultures, where one could have very high infant mortality but subsequent better health than the other.

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RAZD
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Message 75 of 81 (207904)
05-13-2005 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by nator
05-11-2005 10:57 PM


nice graph
I can't help noticing that the 'smartest' 85 year olds are about as smart as the 'dumbest' 25 year olds ... but I also note that is NOT saying much for the "smarts" department
another thing that could be skewing your graph is that the 'dumbest' eliminate themselves from the later groups (and from the reproduction pool) in some rather darwineskian ways

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RAZD
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Message 77 of 81 (207997)
05-14-2005 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by sidelined
05-13-2005 11:56 PM


let's not conflate loyalty to the people you work for with loyalty to a faceless company.
my grandfather worked for the same company for over 50 years, and received 3 gold watches in the process.
his son was put in the position of firing 30 people that were his friends from childhood. he resigned.
a person living in samwalltopia has no loyalty to how "two-job-joe" lives in wallmartworkerville.
the one thing that is clear from the globalization of companies is that there is no such thing as company loyalty to employees once the company gets bigger than personal contact.
you are better off changing jobs every 5 years (or less) and consolidating all your pensions and 401k's into your personal IRA. and hoping that social security is still around when you retire.

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