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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's a short OT digression so I'll try to answer.
If GOD exists, and I believe there is overwhelming evidence the she does, is he the Christian God, the Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Norse, Greek Egyptian or American Indian god? He is GOD. That's it. Not the Christian God. Not the Jewish God, not the God of the Aztecs. GOD. The creator. GOD. St. Paul's did provide an environment where someone could get a good education. But it's not unique. There are many such places. The important thing is not the school itself but that by its existence, it proves that it can be done. The rest is a function of will, morality and drive. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
First, there is knowledge to be gained regardless of the source.
Second, religion, all religions, affect the culture. To understand the culture it is necessary to understand religion. Third, to test and temper their faith. A faith unchallenged is a weak faith. Fourth, GOD, if he exists, can speak through any medium. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So, essentially, it's an all-encompassing term; the god of all. You write it this way to distinguish it from "God," the term specifically referencing the god of Judeo-Christianity. Is this it, in a nutshell? If so then I believe I understand. Close, very close. I could live with that.
I for one wish these schools all the best, and here's to many more of them So here is a practical suggestion. Copy down the curriculum or if you want, I can get St. Paul's to send you a copy. Take it to every school and school board meeting and demand the same. If no one ever asks for such a curriculum ... what makes you think it will happen? It's something that has been done and so it's possible. It's been done more than once so it's replicable. But if you and others set standards lower than that, then you cannot expect to have such a curriculum in your schools. AbE: When the objection that it would cost too much comes up, suggest a Charter School be set up in the district based on that curriculum. This message has been edited by jar, 05-06-2005 02:57 PM Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Here is the opening statement from the National Association of Episcopal Schools. I quote it in its entirety because it's short and IMHO concerns this thread.
What are the principal qualities that distinguish a school as Episcopal? This question, more than any other, is asked of NAES by Episcopal school and Church leaders, parents and the general public. The answer is that they are Christian communities whose missions integrate spiritual formation into all aspects of the educational experience. Episcopal schools are most distinctive when they are true to this mission and when they do so in the graceful and inclusive manner which is the hallmark of the Anglican approach to education over the centuries. All Christian communities, even the most ecumenical and diverse of Episcopal schools, are upheld by the basic principles of the Baptismal Covenant. As expressed in The Book of Common Prayer, this Covenant maintains that individuals and institutions are called by God to adopt certain fundamental disciplines and dispositions in order to embrace fully their basic identities. As embodiments of the Christian faith, Episcopal schools are created to be communities that honor, celebrate and worship God as the center of life. They are created to be models of God's love and grace. They are created to serve God in Christ in all persons, regardless of origin, background, ability, or religion. They are created to strive for justice and peace among all people and [to] respect the dignity of every human being. These principles are the basis on which identity and vocation are to be defined in Episcopal schools. Episcopal schools are populated by a rich variety of human beings, from increasingly diverse religious, cultural and economic backgrounds. In fact, the intentional pluralism of most Episcopal schools is a hallmark of their missions. It is also a distinguishing characteristic of these schools that they seek to integrate religious and spiritual formation into the overall curriculum and life of each school community. Episcopal schools are clear, yet graceful, about how they articulate and express their basic identities, especially in their religious curricula and traditions. They invite all who attend and work in them Episcopalians and non-Episcopalians, Christians and non-Christians, people of no faith tradition both to seek clarity about their own beliefs and religions and to honor those traditions more fully and faithfully in their own lives. Above all, Episcopal schools exist not merely to educate, but to demonstrate and proclaim the unique worth and beauty of all human beings as creations of a loving, empowering God. By weaving these principles into the very fabric of the school's overall life, Episcopal schools ensure that their missions are built on the sure foundation of a Christian love that guides and challenges all who attend our schools to build lives of genuine meaning, purpose and service in the world they will inherit. Welcome to the community of Episcopal schools. A religious based school or course does not have to be indocrination or brain washing. I can be and should be inclusive of all belief systems.
Here is yet another link, this time to the National Association of Episcopla Schools website. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Hopefully there are still readers out there who have an opinion on this. I invite all of you to respond and let us know how you would feel about Sacred Studies as a part of general education.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And is always called, "bang equals".
JSMTN (just some more trivial nonsense) Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If this is a good idea how could it be implemented?
Just to make clear what I'm suggestiong, I'll try to do a short summary.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And everybody is taught how to use arabic numerals. Spend some time over in the Faith forums and you'll find out how seldom that is understood or acknowledged. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The problem is that the quality of maths education, worldwide, is already quite poor. For many kids, just understanding simple differential equations is a struggle. If we were to sacrafice classroom hours to studying the detailed history of the discipline, I don't see that the quality of maths education would increase. The big issue I have with this is that Education is no a zero sum game. I do not want to see anything sacrificed. Nor is a detailed history of the field necessary. One thing I have seen here quite often is a statement similar to "Western Civilization is a product of the Christian Religion". Frankly, that's nonsense. In fact, Christianity has historically been one of the most backward and intolerant of all religions. These are things that need to be pointed out and included in anyones education. In math specifically, no modern math would be possible without the contributions of the Arabs, specifically, the Muslim mathematicians. That's something every student, whether a math student or just general should know and undderstand. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But the main reason you have religious influences upon the early sciences is that there were usually only two types of people who could get any sort of advanced education---the wealthy ruling class and the religious class. A very great point and one that could lead to lots of worthwhile discussions among the kids.
But to say that religion is responsible for the advancement of science is a lot like claiming for yourself all credit for your house appreciating in value. Oh, but I don't say that. In fact, I say almost the opposite of that. We also need to understand that religion quite often hindered the advancement of science. We need to know and understand the Negative potential for and of religion as well as we understand the positive, and we may need to understand the negative potential of religion even MORE than its positive potential. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The fact that I can show examples of where such things are done, and that the program is replicable, seems to indicate that it's possible.
In our 24 hour day, we can do all I have outlined and still provide a great, not good, general education. It is not easy. It is not inexpensive. But it can be done. The other choice is to not do so. And that seems to be the choice we have made here in the US. I wonder though if we made the choice knowingly, if those people making the decisions are aware of what actually can be done. Go back to Message 44 where there is a link to the curriculum at St. Paul's and to Message 49 where there is a link to the curriculum at St. Paul's School for Girls. Look them over. Do they reflect what you think would be a good basic education for every child? Would you want YOUR child to have those opportunities available? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Thanks for the link. I must say I was somewhat disappointed by the questions but perhaps that's to be expected. I'll spend some time and look them over more fully.
There could be the makings of a whole thread there. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Look at the curriculum. It's posted for both schools.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Two possible solutions to your concerns are to design a broad curriculum and to design OBJECTIVE as opposed to subjective tests.
But a third alternative is to challenge kids to think. Teach them how to think. Teach them how to test, temper and fine what they believe. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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