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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But where are we going to make space for this course ? Again, let me ask you to examine the curriculum from St. Paul's School (it's not the only example but it's the one I have knowledge of and access to).
Curriculum can be found here I believe you will find that the other subjects of concern, history, language, chemistry, mathematics, physics, arts, PE, are adequately covered. If it can be done there why can't it be done anywhere? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But those students who are theistic also need to understand the point of view of Agnostics or Atheists.
Would you agree? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did you read through the curriculum?
Also, you seem to be switching rapidly between objections. So far you've presented three:
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, St. Paul's is a Private School.
Yes, evolution was most certainly taught when I was there, which was 40+ years ago I must admit. In fact, the Creation Myths from Genesis only came up in some of our bull sessions. I would certainly expect that it's still taught since the TOE is accepted by the Episcopal Church as the best explanation of evolution available so far. My guess is that the ommission of any mention is simply the fact that it's a given rather than any attempt to conceal. As to cost and other subjects, I don't see it as limiting one or the other. We need to do a better job in ALL areas of education.
But I am not yet convinced that the level of 'excellence' in education that you claim for this school is in fact the case. But I'm not holding St. Paul's up as "a level of Excellence" but rather as a minimum goal to strive for. It is not the ultimate, but rather a minimal acceptable level. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did St. Paul's teach episcopalianism? LOL We'll, that's a tough one. If "episcopalianism" means that you don't have to check your brain at the door, that you are responsible for your actions, that other folk may well have opinions different than yours and you just might learn from them, that there's always more to learn, then I guess so. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If possible can we stick to the question of teaching Sacred Studies as a general subject in school.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ah, Staunton. Brings back fond memories of road trips to the Garden of Eden.
Hollings, Randolph-Macon, Sweet Briar, Mary Baldwin Yeah, there are several efforts like that around the country and I deplore their orientation. Now if they took the Christians once a week to a Synagogue and Mosque I think it would be worthwhile but as currently practiced in most cases I see it as counter productive. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Possibly, it would.
the best solution would be if the Jews, Buddhists, Muslims went to Christian Churches while the Christians went to Jewish, Muslim or Buddhist locations. This message has been edited by jar, 05-20-2005 12:32 PM Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
Taught as literature? All of it. Taught as an example of what people believe? All of it. Taught as fact or history? None of it. AbE: Back in msg #38 of the thread I outlined the course I experienced.
quote: Edited by jar, : add possible example curriculum Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't think any of the material would have been a problem Constitutionally. I don't ever remember being told what I should believe, in fact a major part was challenging strongly held beliefs. For example we had to build a case for atheism.
And certainly the teacher would not just be free to say that the evidence shows the earth to be over 6000 years old, I'd expect such material to be a fundamental part of even a minimalist education. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Me too, but it was Moose that wanted to ignore all the other religions I said should be included.
quote: From a reply to Moose in the other thread. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Then the teacher should say that all the evidence shows that the Bible is factually wrong.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Students can make unconstitutional comments. Happens often.
As long as the teacher is not promoting a religion I don't see where there could be a Constitutional issue. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
For someone proposing that "Study of Religion" be brought into the public schools, it sure is hard to get any details out of you on how it is to be executed. You say it can be done constitutionally, but I see much potential for unconstitutional glitches. All it takes is one of those glitches, you got a lawsuit from either the pro or anti-religion side, and the whole thing comes crashing down. I simply don't see that and I believe that history bears my position out. Certainly there will be lawsuits, likely lots of them. But as long as the teacher does not comment on whether he agrees with some particular religious position, I don't see how a challenge could succeed. I mentioned way back in message 41:
quote: and in message 69:
quote: and in message 149:
quote: I'm not sure how mucvh more detail you want from me? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jar, do I remember correctly that you went to an Episcopal school? Yup, whiskeypalian. And yes, "As soon as you even mentioned any of the beliefs of, say, Islam or Shintoism in any but a condemnatory way, the good bibliatrous parents of Texas would throw wall-eyed fits. " That is why it is important to stick to facts and ask questions like those outlined above. It would take some training and certification of the teachers but that is possible. The UK does it. There will certainly be challenges but it should be able to write a curriculum that would pass the Constitutional test. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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