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JonF
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Message 66 of 147 (207514)
05-12-2005 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Jerry Don Bauer
05-12-2005 6:34 PM


This is easily shown mathematically using a simple statistical formula like S = ln(W) where S is entropy and W is the microstates of the information. If we divide a teaspoon of sugar into 10 gridded areas and then the cup of tea in which it diffuses into 150 we have:
State 1: S = ln(10) = 2.30
State 2: S = ln(150) = 5.01
deltaS = S(final) - S(intial), delta S = 5.01 - 2.30 = 2.71
The entropy and therefore the disorganization has increased. You have lost information.
Lord have mercy, you're a hoot! It's been obvious for some time that you're just flailing, but this is too much! You are claiming that the thermodymic entropy of the system is a function of the number of chunks in which you choose to subdivide the system, and that these arbitrarily chosen subdivideed chunks are microstates! And you finish by claiming that you've demonstrated something about information, which claim is the first mention of information in the "demonstration".
You're too much, Jerry!

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JonF
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Message 68 of 147 (207518)
05-12-2005 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Jerry Don Bauer
05-12-2005 6:34 PM


When this C became available in the diet, omnivores that ingested this C no longer needed to systemically produce C and natural selection caused this mutation. And in what organisms would this environment have selected for? ALL of them, people, chimps, gorillas, little funky tree monkeys, little monkin' tree.........So you are quite surprised to see this mutation in common with primates?
Stop it, Jerry, you're killin' me here! I haven't laughed like this for months.
Yes, of course it's not surprising ... but you forgotr to mention that other omnivores such as pigs, chickens, and raccoons do synthesize vitamin C. So the fact that one subset of omnivores, within which we find literally thousands of strtiking similarities, shares this exact mutation (when we know that there is at least one other mutation that would knock out vitamin C, and there's probably hundreds or thousands that would) is not surprising at all; it's only yet another comfirmation (albeit a dramatic and easily understood one) of common descent among primates. Like us.

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JonF
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Message 87 of 147 (207682)
05-13-2005 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Jerry Don Bauer
05-12-2005 7:41 PM


LOL...Thermodynamic entropy? Um....no. Do we need to take a class maybe?
Apparently you do. You talked of microstates, and microstates is thermodynamic entropy.
But, OK, you screwed up again and didn't mean thermodynamic entropy. Now you're claiming that the Shannon entropy is a function of the number of chunks in which you choose to subdivide the system.
With that lack of education you have the gall to make fun of me.
You have no idea of my level of education; from your obvious errors I surmise I have a lot more relevant education than you do. But what counts is where the rubber meets the road, and there you fail miserably.

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