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jar
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Message 55 of 105 (204306)
05-02-2005 11:54 AM
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05-01-2005 10:20 PM


Let's try your search
Google "+science+fraud" to get listings with both terms.
Number 1 respons is a U. Chicago "Ethics in Science link and the number 2 item is Albany University's Science Fraud Database.
Seeing a pattern here?
What you request is and has been done, and actually has been done for centuries. The basis of the scientific method is independant verification of the facts. Somebody else always checks your work.
If you look at the world of science what you find is that frauds get caught, and they get caught, not be outside forces but by the scientific community itself. And the penalty when caught is extreme. The guilty party is out. No questions, no reprieve, out.
This is particularly relevant and related to another thread, the one discussing Ron Wyatt. If Ron Wyatt were in the Scientific community, his actions related to the "Altar of Calves" would be sufficient for him to be castigated, ostracized and banned from all future research.
IMHO until ID and Creationism can implement the standards and practices that are already in place within the scientific community, they can not be considered as Science or even as serious studies.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 59 of 105 (208863)
05-16-2005 10:13 PM
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05-16-2005 9:33 PM


Re: And now for something completely different
Why do you keep saying things like
And then there is the erroneous perception that being "a genuinely religious person" would be too much trouble, too inconvenient in many cases. Darwinism is easier, right?
What connection is there between Darwinism (whatever the hell that is) and being religious or non-religious? You keep saying stuff like that that simply makes no sense.

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jar
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Message 62 of 105 (208880)
05-16-2005 10:55 PM
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05-16-2005 10:37 PM


Re: And now for something completely different
Well, that sure does sound pretty silly.
In fact there is no problem between Creationism and Evolution. There are many of us that are Theists and Evolutionists and also think ID is something with no meaning, no sense, no theory, no foundation, no definition, and certainly no supporting evidence.
Evolution, Darwinism (whatever the hell that is) or the TOE are entirely compatible with belief in a GOD.
The problem with ID is that there is no substance yet to ID. Maybe there will be someday, and if that ever happens, ID will be able to compete but until then it's smoke and mirrors.
Nope, even those of us that believe this Universe was created are not IDists.

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jar
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Message 73 of 105 (208992)
05-17-2005 9:26 AM
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05-17-2005 3:49 AM


Spoting more nonsense
Since science is atheistic, we have a conflict.
There you go spouting nonsense again. Science is not Atheistic.

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Message 74 of 105 (208994)
05-17-2005 9:33 AM
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05-17-2005 2:00 AM


Creation and Evolution
The odds are you are missing something. I am a Creationist and also know for a fact that Evolution happened. In addition, the best explanation of how that happened so far is the TOE.
GOD created the Universe. One of the systems created was that in living things there would be random mutations. Those mutations would then be firltered by Narural Selection.
It's not a new explanation and in fact is the scenario excepted by the majority of Christian Churches.

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jar
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Message 79 of 105 (209102)
05-17-2005 4:58 PM
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05-17-2005 4:49 PM


Re: Creation and Evolution
Life has a cause, a purpose in your worldview, right?
Life has a cause under any of the scenarios. Something caused life to start. We don't know how that happened yet, that is what the study of abiogenesis is all about. It will most likely though turn out to be entirely normal and natural.
Purpose is something else entirely. I might have a purpose but to say life has a purpose is IMHO pretty silly.
So why does it seem as if you are in the Darwin camp?
You keep bringing that up like it has some meaning. Perhaps one day you'll explain what you mean.
If you mean do I subscribe to the Theory of Evolution, random mutations when filtered through Natural Selection, then of course that's where I stand. Right now there are no other theories that even begin to explain the fact of evolution.

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jar
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Message 83 of 105 (209111)
05-17-2005 5:25 PM
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05-17-2005 5:20 PM


Re: Creation and Evolution
Sheer nonsense.
Never has so little been said in so many words.

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jar
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Message 87 of 105 (209121)
05-17-2005 5:59 PM
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05-17-2005 5:38 PM


ID is two 'mimes conversing over a telephone
If scientists are a varied group, then let them take varied approaches.
They do. That is one of the big reasons we have been able to work out common descent. It began long before Darwin and was based on similarities. Darwin provided a proposed method of how those similarities came about. Later geologists, biologists, physicists, geneticists, paleobiologists, paleontologists each using varied approaches found that the evidence supported common descent.
So do I. ID is that other voice
Before ID can speak it must find something to say. So far that has not happened.

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