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Author Topic:   ID and the bias inherent in human nature
paisano
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Message 63 of 105 (208882)
05-16-2005 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Limbo
05-16-2005 10:37 PM


Re: And now for something completely different
So, a distinction has to be made between naturalistic evolutionists (Darwinists) and non-materialist evolutionists (IDists / Theist-evolutionists)
Well, this raises a couple of questions.
1) I'm sure you've discussed or heard the distinction between methodological naturalism and ontological naturalism - your argument presupposes that these are perforce conflated.
What evidence have you that they are ?
2) "Non-materialist evolutionist" still covers a lot of ground, and would seem to include characters as diverse as the Buddhist evolutionist, the Catholic evolutionist, the Unitarian evolutionist, and some categories of agnostic non materialist evolutionist.
Yet, ID as constructed by the Discovery Institute types seems to be pushed primarily to advance an Evangelical Protestant agenda, with a few Catholic fellow travelers overly influenced (IMHO) by Evangelicalism.
Why this lack of philosophical diversity ?

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paisano
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Message 75 of 105 (208996)
05-17-2005 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Limbo
05-17-2005 3:49 AM


Re: And now for something completely different
Since science is atheistic, we have a conflict. If science serves only one master worldview, it will produce results consistant with ONLY that worldview, and as such it is flawed as a tool of all Humanity.
Well, there's that conflation again. If science is necessarily methodologically naturalistic, this does not imply that it is necessarily ontologically naturalistic.
If you think otherwise, I think at this point you've assumed an affirmative duty to illustrate why with some evidence.
Do we want our descendants to become spiritually bankrupt Borg Drones?
No. Nor, personally, do I want my descendants to become intellectually bankrupt Fundamentalist drones (of any brand of Fundamentalism - Bin Laden's or Falwell's).
But that may be off topic.

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