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arachnophilia
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Message 15 of 301 (217506)
06-16-2005 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by dsv
06-16-2005 2:19 PM


Personally, I hate the two party system and wish I could vote for a third party.
i think we should institute a plurality system here. my idea for it is this: you check a box that says "liberal" or "coservative." from there, you select a candidate within that group of parties. the group of parties with the most votes wins, and the candidate with the most votes within that group represents the group.
that way, third parties could get larger because you could actually vote for them without worrying about that swing vote problem.
By "us" winning I just mean anyone that is not a religious schizophrenic at this point. I just want some rational thoughts in the freakin White House, is that too much to ask?!
hahahaha.

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arachnophilia
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Message 16 of 301 (217508)
06-16-2005 11:20 PM
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06-16-2005 2:24 PM


I agree, I had to vote for Kerry. By comparison to Bush I couldn't even call it choosing the lesser of two evils. It was choosing someone with an accomplished track record and someone with a rather massive failed record.
yeah, i'm not sure how the good war record of a decorated veteren became a bad war record, which was then beaten by the nonexistant war record of a draft dodger.
i mean, don't get me wrong, i'm all for draft dodging. but jesus. that's some spin powers on the right.
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Message 18 of 301 (217525)
06-17-2005 12:39 AM
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"my name is jesus h. christ, and i endorse this advertisement."

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arachnophilia
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Message 296 of 301 (224819)
07-20-2005 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by Faith
07-20-2005 2:16 AM


Yup. Anybody the Right produces is not acceptable evidence, nor any argument no matter how well argued with how many facts.
you know, we hear from the right about the leftist media bias. in fact, it's all i ever hear anymore. the media's left biased.
it seems that since i keep hearing this over the media, it actually disproves itself. if the media were ACTUALLY left-biased, we probably wouldn't hear about how left-biased it was.
It's simple. If a writer believes terrorism is inherent in Islam, that's bigotry, period.
and yet if we write that the lying is inherent in the right, we also get slammed, by people who insist we're just listening to sources on the left and saying the right isn't credible. such as, well, here.
it's sort of the backwards logic of threat. before the hutus masacred the tutsis in rwanda, all you heard about was how much of a threat the tutsis were, and how they were the people in power and didn't deserve to be. but it was really the hutus in the power, and their distortions, that lead to the atrocity. when one party decries that the other is biased and controlling, it's usually just the opposite.
it may well be bigotry to say that hatred and terrorism are inherent to islam, but that's because you forgot a few words. most muslims are pretty decent people. hatred and terrorism are inherent to radical fundamentalist islam, in the middle east. but the religion as a whole is probably not the blame --
-- just the part that says we're a threat to them.

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arachnophilia
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Message 298 of 301 (224827)
07-20-2005 4:35 AM
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07-20-2005 4:13 AM


still not a prejudice
You AREN'T hearing it over the media, you are referring to the conservative talk shows I'm sure. They aren't "the media." The media are the journalists, the reporters, the news reports and the commentators within their bailiwicks.
i'm hearing it anytime a conservative pundit opens their mouth on the media.
You don't argue your case, you simply repeat the same old leftist line.
you simply repeat the same old rightist line.
You call the right bigots and liars based on your own bigoted viewpoint
now, i called them spin doctors because they are calling other people liars and bigots, when often it seems to be that they're the liars. it doesn't take a genius to spot a spin campaign, and that's what this is. all spin, no facts. something bad comes out abotu the republicans? no, that's not what really happened! it really happened the other way! the leftist media is showing their bias! whine whine whine.
There is no willingness whatever to even think through the reasonable arguments on the right so sure are they of their rightness.
....what reasonable arguments? from what i see, the right is pretty pre-occupied with telling us how left-biased the media is. nobody even seems to care about actual politics anymore, we're just sitting here duking it over who actually said what to whom first, and how none of the facts actually matter and they all happened the other way around.
and the left is not innocent either. the left are cowards, and need to grow a pair.
ou just regurgitate the same old leftist swill that distinguishes bbetween "radical fundamentalist islam" and all the decent Muslims without the slightest recognition that that is taken into account and answered by the argument you are trashing.
how about this. i know muslims. and they're not trying to kill me.
Do you even know what the term "bigotry" means?
quote:
Main Entry: bigot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
"terrorism is inherent to islam" would be a prejudice that paints the picture of all muslims being violent criminals with no respect for life. that *IS* bigotry, because it is a pre-judgement of muslim people you have never met, and misrepresents the majority of the islamic citizens of the world.
It fits your argument here to a t.
so i'm a bigot for claiming that a majority group in power asserting the minority poses a threat to it is spin? but you're not a bigot for claiming all muslims are terrorists?
It means having a viewpoint that will not yield to any amount of reasonable correction.
then reasonably correct me, faith. where is your proof of the liberal media bias?

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