Reasons why the NeoCons aren't real Republicans

1. Free enterprise. True conservatives believe that companies should be allowed to compete without much restriction. Rather the neo-cons like to pass asinine anti-American legislation to protect their campaign interests and give out no-bid contracts to themselves and their friends.2. Freedom of religion. True conservatives would not be in the business of either restricting or supporting a particular religion.3. Freedom of speech. True conservatives keep their noses out of controlling the media.4. Right to privacy. True conservatives would not give law enforcement sweeping, unconstitutional, unchecked power.

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Gitmo prisoners did not choose to subject themselves to those activities by bravely enrolling themselves for the defense of our country.I admire all of the courage of our soldiers and the things they have to endure but how dare you compare your choice to their confinement which flies straight in the face of everything this country stands for.

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Yea, and it is not mistreament when it is your choice to be in that situation. It is mistreatment when it is prision without trial. I am not condoning what those guys may or may not have done. I am in firm defiance against your cavalier attitude that their illegal detainment is in any way similar to your chosen profession.What a horrible comparison you are making. Do you really think you are making a good point to the people reading this? Do you really think that this paints a picture of what you stand for in a positive light?

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Oh of course. Those illegal methods that were objectively determined by a tribun..... oh wait I forgot. Basic human rights be damned. Mat 5:39 - 19:19 - 22:39, Mark 12:31, Luke 6:29 - 10:27 be damned. Good luck with that hypocrisy. Hope it goes well for you.

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And how do we know that they met that criteria if they were never tried? Due process is a basic human right. This goes for Saddam, Osama Bin Laden, Tim McVeigh, any other random criminal, me, and you. We all should get due process. Anything less than universal due process is fascism. You are very good at changing the subject to make yourself look good. We are not talking about their morality. We are talking about the basic rights of all human beings in order for this to become and stay a free world. All your fighting and dying over there is for no good if we cannot preserve basic human rights and dignity for everyone including the lowest of the low. Yea your stance is very clear. I would say crystal clear. You are fighting for "freedom" yet don't agree with basic human rights. You are pro-American yet hold the antithesis of fundamental American ideals. You hold a personal moral polar to that of the God you profess.I very much do admire you compared to others of your pursuasion on this board because you are very clear in what you believe even when you don't realize what you are really destroying in the process. There is no ambiguity or flip floping. I much prefer dealing with someone who is honest and straightfoward about their position rather than unsure and vague.That being said, I do love you Tal and hope the best for you. I may not be right but I know without misgiving that you are most certainly wrong. It is often times those who feel they are the strongest that actually are the most weak.This message has been edited by Jazzns, 06-23-2005 08:38 AM

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Saying the neocons have nothing to do with Christianity is like saying that Baskin Robins has nothing to do with vanilla ice cream.It may not be what they are ALL about but they sure do use it a lot!

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Oh I never said it was exclusivly Christian. They certainly do use the religious right as a whore to accomplish their very non-Christian, anti-American agenda. I'll also remember what you said the next time GW goes on a Bible rant or someone else covers up Justice's titties. There is no getting around the fact that the neocons are married to the radical Christian right.It is all "God Bless America, damn the fags, and concealed weapons for everyone!" And the worst part is that it works.

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Your response has nothing to do with the neocons connections with the fanatical Christian right (which is by the way, extremely liberal in the political sense). Power hungry neocons give continual lip service to guys like Pat Robertson and they get votes. Plain and simple, that is exactly how they won the last election. Put "Down WIth Fags" on the ballot and you get tons of people coming out of the woodworks to press the "I agree" button along with the "Red" button and go home. It was a total pander to the religious right.

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What are you talking about?

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