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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I seem to remember something in the bible that goes, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Or something like that. Are you without sin, Faith? After all, to hear you talk you are the only real Christian in the entire world. At least, you are the only one who is 100% correct in all matters regarding Christianity. Right? Gosh I am so glad that I know some Christians who really do live a Christ-like life of generosity, kindness, joy, and love for their fellow human beings. It would truly be sad if I thought that you and your delight in revenge and persecution were representative of most Christians. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 06-26-2005 02:29 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Oh, do you mean like Christmas and Easter parades?
quote: Oh, do you mean like the fact that Christmas is a national holiday?
quote: and not be allowed to change 6000-year-old crosscultural tradition to accommodate what they do (interracial/interfaith marriage)
quote: So, a gay couple who doesn't invite you to their wedding and just wants to live their life together in peace is OK with you?
quote: I work at a Jewish deli. If people came into the store dressed in white sheets at tall, pointy hoods, or perhaps in Nazi or Hitler costumes, would you consider the managers or the owners at fault for refusing to serve them?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You are judging others, plain and simple. That Bible passage I mentioned came straight from Christ as he chastized the Pharisees for wanting to stone a sinful woman, IIRC. You are judging others and Christ would chastize you just as he did the Pharisees, I should think.
quote: Well, hateful, mean groups like CV are drawing fire, yes, and your support of their hate is also drawing criticism, it's true.
quote: Look, do you deny that you are NOT generally a voice of love, joy, and generosity atround here, and in fact are quite the opposite? Was Christ one to threaten and was he angry all the time like you, or was he known as the Prince of Peace?
quote: Hate your guts? Oh my, hardly. I am often amused by your incredible venom (not so poisonous lately!), impressed with your ability to perform intellectual contorsions previously unknown to humanity, and often saddened by the apparent waste of such a fine intellect, but hate you? No. Sorry, your persecution complex won't get any feeding from me.
quote: So, if this group decided that women shouldn't be allowed to own property, and in fact, should actually go back to being the property of their fathers and husbands, because clearly this is how the Bible wishes society to be run, would it be OK with you? If a bank refused to deal with women, would that be OK with you?
quote: Oh, you mean like the sin against keeping no other gods but God? You know, the First Commandment? So, no other society in the world has ever given active support to a plural society in which people are free to worship any god or gods they please? Funny, I was thinking of one very near and dear to me that, lo and behold, I am living in RIGHT NOW!
quote: ...according to you, the final arbiter of all things correct about Christianity.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: And you are, naturally, the final arbiter of what God wants and what is and isn't moral, aren't you?
quote: "The people" were mostly against equal rights for women and African Americans, too. Do you think women getting the vote was wrong because most people in the country didn't want it? What about ending Jim Crowe?
quote: ...and you are, naturally, the final arbiter of what God wants, aren't you?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Oh, they could put you up on a pedestal, but then you would have never been allowed on the computer in the first place, let alone taken seriously as if you had could possibly have any kind of worthwhile opinion at all, because you're only a girl. Oh, and Entomologista is a woman, too.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Respect? You actually have the enormous brass balls to demand respect from me? You called me the stupidest person on this board, Faith, and you have never apologized or even pretended to have any remorse about that completely personal, ad hominem attack. Who do you think you are, talking to me about wanting to be treated with respect? What makes you think you deserve it or have earned it from me, even though I have said nothing disrespectful to you in this thread?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, you're not a Christian but a Deist like Jefferson, Wahington, Franklin, Paine, etc? Can we assume that you follow the Jefferson Bible?
Personally I am glad that the Government and the law does not operate on the whims, prejudices and biggotry of the people. quote: Um, WTF? We get tyrrany when the law is impartial? So, you think that the blindfold on that statue of justice should be taken off, eh? Justice should be able to see if that person "looks right"?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
When you say this:
quote: ...but then completely rationalize and make excuses for your behavior by saying:
quote: you nullify the apology. So, does this mean that when you were provoking me by calling me the stupidest person on this board, it would have been OK for me to call you an ignorant moron? Would that have been acceptable adult behavior in your eyes, no matter what the provocation?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Thank you, I accept.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Aw, now that's downright sweet.
I understand about frustration, believe me, and I have certainly let it get the best of me on plenty of occasions. I really do appreciate your comments.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, which "meaning of marriage" do you have in mind? The one in which marriages were meant to solidify clan or political alliances? Or the one in which the ownership of the females passed from father to husband and the sole purpose of the female was to produce a male heir, and if she failed, she could be discarded? Tell me, Faith, just what do you think marriage has been all about for the vast, vast majority of the history of the institution?
quote: Uh, of course it's "all psychological". That's what love is, even herterosexual love. It's a state of mind, and it's a way of life.
quote: There are many different "meanings of marriage" in the public mind, Faith. Many people believe that marriage is a partnership between equals and has nothing at all to do with religion. Others believe that marriage is sacred, and/or the the wife should be subservient and obedient to the husband. The point is, nobody can make your church perform religious marriage ceremonies for same sex couples if they don't want to, just like nobody can force your church to perform interracial marriages or mixed faith marriages if they don't want to. You can discriminate as much as you want to in your chuurch, more power to you. But our secular government can't do that. And besides, wouldn't it be great if all of these single gay parents could get married to their partners so their children could get social security benefits and other right enjoyed by the children of straight parents? Why do you want to punish those children? Just because you think you have the right to impose your religious morality upon everyone else in the country?
quote: "Always been intended for?" The solitification of political alliances and the exchange and consolidation of property?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, 51% of voters voted for Bush. Only about 42% of the US population voted in the last election. So that means that only about 21% of the country voted for Bush.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Faith, I live in a small city where gay people are welcomed. In addition, the local adoption laws are such that it is relatively easy for gay couples to adopt each other's children. Several of these couples live in my neighborhood and many come into the shop where I work. Can you tell me how it is that you know that these people are simply adopting and raising children on a whim? They seem to say and do all of the same things with their kids that hetero parents do (and sometimes they are much better parents), but it sure seems like you know better, even though they are my neighbors and all. Can you also instruct me in the ways I can tell that they are "artificial parents"? Exactly what does this mean?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
In what way are homosexual people unequal to straight people?
Is it kind of like Blacks, or Jews?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
How do you know that "natural" parenting is ideal?
And what, exactly, is natural and what is not natural? Is it natural if a mother raises her kids but the husband is away on business 10 months out of the year? What about if a father is a stay at home dad? What if they have a nanny and an au pair? What if grandma lives with them? What if the kids live with Grandma in the summer time? Are any of these situations "natural"?
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