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robinrohan Inactive Member |
There is no inner peace, just as there is no outer peace.
And anyway, what matters is the Truth, not peace.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I am going to die one day, and I believe that will be the end of me. I've accepted that, that is my reality. It doesn't hinder my inner peace, though, it strengthens it. How on earth can the fact of death strengthen your inner peace? The only way I can see it is if you tell yourself, "Oh, well, at least I know that whatever I do or don't do really doesn't matter one way or another. A few months after my death I will be of no more significance to the world than of some dog that died in a ditch."
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I would be happy to help you to learn about the Truth. My e-mail address is in my profile. Thanks so much, WmScott. At least you give a Goddamn about others, which is more than I can say for some people I know. I think I am rather skeptical in temperament.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
What you are saying is purely subjective. I believe that the inner peace I have found (after many years of struggle) by accepting the world as is, is at least as good as yours found through god. I have no troubles accepting that I will die, it is all part of nature, it does not mean fatalism Who said anything about god? Not me. What I said was not "subjective." It was quite reasonable. I was summarizing the inevitability of the fate of all individuals.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I suggest you look to the number of atheists currently active in the US armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, facing greater horrors than you or I will ever be forced to, surrounded on all sides by people who want to convert or kill them, and yet still remain strong and do what they need to do. How many atheists are currently active in the US armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan? You have data on that?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I simply don't believe that what I do or don't do in my existance depends on whether or not I am going to live forever. Why would it? So I can be punished or rewarded like a dog for my actions at some other time? No of course not. What I was asking was how the fact of death can give you inner peace. It doesn't give me inner peace. On the contrary, I don't like it.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Were you once a Witness? Were you baptized? and were you disfellowshipped? Crashfrog as a Jehovah's Witness. Now that's hilarious.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Charles, you're gross. You've always got your head in the gutter.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I think we need to define "peace." Does it mean not worrying? I don't think there are very many people in the world who never worry.
I don't think there is any such thing as "inner peace."
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I'm so glad I'm not. I find it rather amazing that one should be--unless one is physically abused.
Jehovah's Witnesses brainwash people.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
No such thing.
Inner peace means that you never worry about anything. Have you ever known anyone that never worried about anything? I have not. This is one of the worst topics I've ever had to suffer through. How about some Reason for a change? Obviously that's not possible. Here's how it works. You don't start with a system of beliefs. You start with doubts. The key to the truth is doubt. You doubt everything and then what's left over is your residue of truth, a la Descartes. So Mr. Jehovah Witness, if you want to really know the truth--not the truth that makes you feel good, not the truth that your friends can accept--but the truth--you have to start by doubting. I suggest you trying doubting for a while and see what you come up with. If you are honest, you won't come up with much. I urge you to wonder if perhaps you have been misled.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Jesus who had perfect inner peace still had his concerns. Sounds like Jesus did not have perfect inner peace. What makes you think he had inner peace?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Real evidence behind it. How could there possibly be real evidence for such a claim? Take a survey?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Could you define "inner peace," please? What are its qualities? How does one feel if one has inner peace?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Frankly, whether it's "true" or not, isn't even relevent here. The truth is everything. It's all that matters. It would not be honorable to believe something because it made you feel better. My own view, based on the available evidence, is that we are accidental creations of mindless nature. When I die that will be the end of me, and in a little while it will not matter whether I had lived or not lived. It also will not matter what I had done or left undone. It all disappears in the swirl of life. In a sense this is liberating, since I know it doesn't really matter what I do or don't do. In another sense, it's rather depressing. But it doesn't matter if it's liberating or depressing; all that matters is the truth.
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