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jacksonville.wow. this is the first time i've had pride in my state for in 5 years or more.

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judge not.lest ye be judged.

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jesus said something about the way we are to treat people -- and that includes homosexuals, as well as prostitutes, abortion doctors, muslims, and people who are trying to kill us. jesus saud "love your neighbor" and that we should have compassion on them. he said "love your enemy" not just those who think like you. he said "if someone strikes you on the cheek, present him the other one too" and that "if someone takes our jacket, to give him the shirt also."he also said "judge not, lest ye be judged" the same way. and "don't point out the splinter in your brother's eye, when there's a log in your own."none of these sound even remotely like "condemn the fags."

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let's examine that subject.according to paul, whose writings i'm sure you adore, should we gentiles get circumcised? and "love your neighbor" means "love your neighbor" whether they sin or not. and they do. yes, i agree. there is no middle ground. judge not, lest ye be judged. you judge people for being gay, and people will judge you for being a bigot.

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really? show me, book chapter and verse, where it says "And Jesus said, 'love your neighbor, but stone the faggots.'"now, leviticus calls homosexuality an abomination. care to discuss leviticus with me?

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then i won't be a bigot when i judge you a sinner. care to hear the grounds i condemn you on?

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neither is disdain for people.

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fair enough.

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Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard

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do you shave? cut your hair? go thy way and sin no more!

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Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.

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got any tatoos or piercings? those are gonna have to go too. sin no more!

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Lev 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I [am] the LORD.

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do you work saturdays? go thy way and sin no more!

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Exd 23:19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

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eat cheese on your sandwich today? go thy way and sin no more!

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Lev 11:7-8 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you.

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was that a ham and cheese sandwich? maybe a bacon cheeseburger? go thy way and sin no more!

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Lev 15:19 And if a woman have an issue, [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.

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do hug your wife when she's having her period? better not do that. go thy way and sin no more! oh, but you say, homosexuality is an ABOMINATION. alright, bring on the abominations.

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Lev 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which [is] in the waters, they [shall be] an abomination unto you:

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well, that pretty much screws red lobster. eat there, and you're going to hell.

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Lev 11:20 All fowls that creep, going upon [all] four, [shall be] an abomination unto you.

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kfc's out too. and i certainly hope you didn't eat turkey last tahnksgiving, otherwise, you're going to hell.

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Lev 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

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don't touch cockroaches. or you're going to hell.

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Lev 19:7 And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it [is] abominable; it shall not be accepted.

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leave your leftovers in the fridge too long? you're going to hell.tell me, sinner, are you right with god? or do you persist in your sin? why don't you repent, and stop sinning? if graces saves you who continue in your sin, what right do you have to judge others who continue in theirs?

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Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

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Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

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Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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poor translation resulting in strange ideas. in one of the targums, god is refered to as "memra," the aramaic ward for "to speak," since god is most often depicted speaking, or commanind things to happen rather than actually doing something. this is a slightly uncommon way to do it, but one of the ways this particular name seems to have gotten translated into other languages was "word."ie: "the Word." at some point, this got confabulated with jesus, and it could help explain why in the book of john jesus is viewed as god, but also not god. ("the word was WITH and the word WAS god," etc)

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well, like i said. it's the fault of poor translation. there was something of a problem translated ha-shem (YHWH) into aramaic for the masses. how would the aramaic-speaking jews know their god? there were a couple of ideas that were tried. some tried to transliterate, others tried to capture some concept of god.and "to speak" was one such concept. because all they really had of god was his words -- the text, the covenant, the commandments, the law, prophet's messages, etc.and some point (probably going through greek, although i don't actually know) "to speak" became "word"

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mine on grace. where does your's rest, that you demand others follow the law when you can't follow it yourself? come back to me when you can read my signature, and explain to me why it's funny.This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 07-23-2005 05:14 PM

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if i explained it, it wouldn't be funny anymore.but let's start here: do you even know what language that is? and you most certainly do.This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 07-23-2005 05:33 PM

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but, apparently jar, jesus was a bigot. here i was deluded the whole time thinking he was such a swell guy who only said nice things about loving everyone and having compassion and such. jeeze, i can't believe i actually thought he meant all that stuff enough to actually DIE for me to prove it.wherever did i go wrong jar?and here i go being a hyprocrit, judging those who judge others as "bigots" and "hypocrits." what was i thinking?This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 07-24-2005 03:31 AM

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