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EltonianJames
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Message 6 of 38 (225606)
07-22-2005 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
06-23-2005 8:45 PM


Deceptive
Groups like this sound good but far too often they prefer to ignore the words Christ spoke to the harlot caught in adultery. Though he did not condemn her he did tell her to go and sin no more. Groups like this seem to promote the idea that Christ approved of sexual sin by calling for the inclusion and acceptance of homosexual behaviour. Sin is still sin. God changes not. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the church. What a shame. Still, it should not surprise anyone. Paul told us this would happen in the latter days and now we see it with our own eyes.

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
Member (Idle past 6126 days)
Posts: 111
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Message 10 of 38 (225618)
07-23-2005 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by arachnophilia
07-22-2005 11:48 PM


Re: Deceptive
One command does not negate the other. Sin is sin whether we acknowledge it or not. There is no middle ground.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
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Message 11 of 38 (225619)
07-23-2005 1:06 AM
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07-22-2005 11:54 PM


Re: Deceptive
I am not sure who you think Jesus was so allow me to enlighten you to the reality that Jesus is the Word of God from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation. You are incorrect in saying that Jesus did not speak on the subject of homosexuality, as He speaks throughout the entirety of the Bible. He is the Word of God, written, spoken, or otherwise. That is the reality.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
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Message 15 of 38 (225649)
07-23-2005 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by arachnophilia
07-23-2005 5:19 AM


Re: three epithets
Simply acknowledging that sin is sin does not make one a bigot, unless you also think Jesus was a bigot.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
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Posts: 111
From: Phoenix, Arizona USA
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Message 16 of 38 (225650)
07-23-2005 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by arachnophilia
07-23-2005 5:20 AM


Re: Deceptive
Perhaps you should re-examine my post. You obviously did not fully understand what was offered. If you had, your post would have been unneccessary. Disdain for morality is hardly the answer.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
Member (Idle past 6126 days)
Posts: 111
From: Phoenix, Arizona USA
Joined: 07-22-2005


Message 17 of 38 (225651)
07-23-2005 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by crashfrog
07-23-2005 9:29 AM


Re: Deceptive
I cannot be held accountable for your lack of understanding.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
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Posts: 111
From: Phoenix, Arizona USA
Joined: 07-22-2005


Message 18 of 38 (225655)
07-23-2005 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by crashfrog
07-23-2005 9:29 AM


Re: Deceptive
EJ writes:
He is the Word of God, written, spoken, or otherwise. That is the reality.
crashfrog writes:
This is the sort of nonsense that typefies Christanist fundamentalism. A man, or even a God, can't be a word. How can Jesus be a word?
That's a nonsense statement, from a religion of nonsense.
The Word of God writes:
John 1:1-14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I cannot say where your understanding of God or Jesus comes from but I can say that it obviously does not come from the Bible which is the only reliable source from which we can ascertain the truth. Please do not attempt to hold me accountable for your gross lack of understanding.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
Member (Idle past 6126 days)
Posts: 111
From: Phoenix, Arizona USA
Joined: 07-22-2005


Message 25 of 38 (225745)
07-23-2005 4:26 PM


Sinner saved by Grace
Some have chosen to call me a sinner. I cannot deny that I am such.
"It is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Were I not a sinner, what purpose would Grace serve?
Since therefore, brethren, we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since (we have) a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled (clean) from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging (one another); and all the more, as you see the day drawing near. Hebrews 10:19-25
My conscience is clear in that I have not chosen to compromise the Word of God in order to satisfy some modern philosophy as to origins.
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? [Is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips: Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet [are] swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery [are] in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom 3:1-31
Self proclaimed "christians" who deny the entirety of the Word of God shall receive no respect from me. Christ called them "Vipers", and rightly so. They are nothing but white-washed graves full of dead mens bones. I find no need to judge them. Their own words shall be their judge. They justly condemn themselves through their abandonment of the Living Word of God and their unholy alliance with ungodly doctrines and beliefs.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
Member (Idle past 6126 days)
Posts: 111
From: Phoenix, Arizona USA
Joined: 07-22-2005


Message 31 of 38 (225758)
07-23-2005 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by arachnophilia
07-23-2005 4:36 PM


Re: Sinner saved by Grace
Does your faith rest on the law or on grace?
Are you Jew?
Are you Gentile?
Your post reveals how little you actually understand the scriptures.
You speak as one of the Pharisees or Sadducees whom Christ referred to as "Vipers".
MT 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
Do you justify yourself by yourself?
Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Where does the heart lead? Unto truth in God or unto the vain teachings of men?
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.
I fear that in your case it may be the latter. I do not know. Gods knows and judges each man accordingly.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
Member (Idle past 6126 days)
Posts: 111
From: Phoenix, Arizona USA
Joined: 07-22-2005


Message 33 of 38 (225762)
07-23-2005 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by arachnophilia
07-23-2005 5:12 PM


Language
Sorry, I don't do games. However, feel free to enlighten those of us who admit ignorance when it comes to the foreign languages. Perhaps you should do so in a more appropriate forum though.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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