God or No God - that is the question (for atheists)

You are making an action judgement about what evil is through human eyes. You are seeing the pressence of evil as evidence of no God.Take a look at the situation from a different perspective.My crazy wife is training for a marathon right now. She goes out and runs long courses, and attempts to sprint at intervals through the course, and then culminates by sprinting the last 7% of any given run. I put ice water out for her and when she staggers into the house, she sometimes is on the verge of puking. She is over heating, fatiqued and exhausted. From my perspective, she is killing herself. If there were such a thing as intellegence in the female human gender, this kind of behavior would not occur.But from her grander perspective, the goal that she is working for is worthy of the pain and suffiring. She is a prime example of a human practicing delayed gratification. And only by this method will she achieve the highly coveted result of the satisfaction of a completed marathon in under 4 hours.In the same way, the evil that is visible in the universe today is in a grander sence, proof that the God of the Bible is working his purpose towards an end goal which includes us as a valuable component. We can no more see it from our perspective than ant could try to make sence of a tapestry being woven by observing it from the floor looking up at the weave. From the back of of the tapestry, it looks somewhat ugly, confused and disorganized. But come around to the front of it and you see it from the perspective of the weaver and it all falls together.The Bible is God's way of giving us a momentary flash glimpse of what he is doing from his perspective while allowing us to stay firmly planted on Earth with the perspective of being below the loome looking up at the back side of his work.

Again, you are guaging this from the "created's" perspective, not the creator's perspective.To use my tapestry example again, let's say that you are a small strand of wool thread. At first you were this happy little folicle of wool on some dumbass sheep. Then you were suddenly cut off at the root. You were placed in a solution to bath you, and freeze your ability to deterioate. You were then hung out in the hot sun so that you would suffer from the heat as you dried and shrunk.. Then you were put in a solution of dye, not the color of your choice and your pores filled with a strange foriegn pigment. Your appearance has now been forever altered from what you are familiar and comfortable with.Then you are stretched and wound unnaturally. You are mangled into a weavers needle and painfully dragged across the backs of other strands of strangely dyed wool. From your perspective, you can not rationalize that there is such a thing as a God of the Wool because of all the pain and suffering around you. You conclude that what you see happening with the wool, the strange processes, the patterns of complexity of the wool around you is all a product of chance and evolution. You fashion what the God of Wool should be like through your own logic and perspective.Nuts! Perposterous! Minimalistic thinking to ever think that there is a God of the Wool. Too much pain and suffering amoung the strands.But placed within eyesight of all of the woven wool strands is a piece of paper that has a beautiful image drawn on it. Every one of the strands can see it, but because of your own short sightedness, you all blow it off as a fanciful creation of some other part of the sheep.But the image is a picture of the tapestry of which the strand of wool is a part of. The strand of wool cannot see the tapestry in work, and cannot directly witness the weaver busy at work, but the evidence is in abundance all around, from the organization of the strands of wool, the complex loom, the intricate image on the paper, and the constant progress towards a goal that the image predicts the tapestry will become.

For the record, I don't have halatosis. I use Crest Gel, Floss, Mint Green Scope and Sugar Free Gum.I came up with the handle of Lizard Breath as a play on words and a pun on myself because I can't spell. Never could.The Komoto Dragon is said to have a putrid stentch emitting from it's mouth and such a high density of bacteria that a bite from one dragon can lead to death from infection. Knowing myself well enough, I assumed that my posts would achive the same effect in a linguistic manner. Very offensive but respected by proxy.

I look at it like this. If Grand Design is responsible for all of this, then by it's own witness of sheer complexity, the one who created all of this must be vastly complex in both thought and deed. So I look at all of the various religions out there and find gods who are basically mirror images of humans with their faults amplified. There's nothing complex about any of those gods. Any type of religion I also discount because they can all be summed up as works oriented where man tries to reach up to God. That's impossible but very prideful to even attempt it indeed.I have discovered that the Creator attested to in the Bible reveals a being that is far more complex than all of my ability to understand will lend.So by you trying to tie up my tapestry into a neat little package of an evil sadistic being, is fanciful at best.The Bible says that no one can know or understand the mind of God, and a timeless eternity is being prepared for those to spend it in, for just that very purpose. It will take an eternity to even begin to understand such a complex being and we were specifically created for that purpose, with the ability to grasp it in small doses, process it and then prepare for more. Humans are eternal according to the Bible and this complex Creator forknew us before we were created. That is complexity. That is intellengence. That is ability concurrent with the abilities to speak a universe into existance.The Bible claims that the central focal point of creation was not the universe but Man. Man is the only entity that was created by the Creators own hands and received the Creator's own breath of life. Everything else was either thought into or spoken into existance according to the Bible.So to say that God finds war beautiful is incorrect. But he can take it and use it for his purpose. The most important thing to the Creator of the Bible is not our pleasure and happiness here on this planet in this lifetime. That is of minimal importance to him. Otherwise, everyone who would become a follower would experience a plethara of wealth as soon as they proclaimed their faith.Something far more complex and extravegant is happening than total world bliss in this lifetime, and this revealed complexity is supportive of Grand Design and a super unimaginably complex Creator.What we perceive as pain, suffering and evil are just that by are own acknowledgement, and the Creator's. But just like the steps in the processing of the wool, the circumstances that we are experiencing are being used to mold us into something like usable thread that will become part of something magnificent and everlasting instead of dead shedded sheep's wool that falls off and rots on the ground.

I'm not following what you mean of us as redundant.