God or No God - that is the question (for atheists)

The problem is, whether atheist, agnostic or theist, the question of whether the question "The existence or non-existence off God is important" is simply subjective. Even as a theist I don't see where the question is really important.

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The rational basis for Atheism is that there is no evidence that GOD exists.

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No one knows for sure. But it is a question that is being asked. What evidence is being ignored?

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You are conflating two different questions. First, whether or not there is a god, second, the origin of the universe.The Atheist says that GOD does not exist because there is no evidence to support such an assertion. Every question examined so far has reduced to natural explanation. There is no reason to think that those questions that remain to be answered will not also reduce to a natural explanation.Then you jump to the question of the origin of the universe. That has nothing to do with the other question, whether or not there is a God.Sorry, you can't get by by changing the issue whenever you want.I'm a Christian Theist and you cannot even show me that you have a point.This message has been edited by jar, 08-09-2005 11:55 AM

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You still conflate two different questions. One, the existence of God and the second, explaining observed phenomena.They are two different questions.The Atheist says there is no GOD because there is no evidence there is God. Bring conclusive evidence to an Atheist and they would likely change their minds. So we are discussing question two now. Science always holds things tentatively. Bring in evidence of a supernatural cause for an observed phenomina and it will be considered. So far no one has ever beeen able to do that. Same thing a theist says. We don't know yet. An Atheists belief system is validated exactly the same way as a theists. It is a belief.

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You know, I'm having a hard time understanding you.You understand the word conflate.I listed the two questions, you quoted the two questions, and in the same message you ask me what the two questions are? Naturalistic evidence of course. Bring some and I doubt you'll have much of a problem convincing an Atheist. C.S. Lewis is a favorite of mine as you may have noticed from my signature, but he could also be an incredible ass at times. In the statement quoted by you above, he's simply wrong. There was a thunderstorm last night, the laws of nature producing an event.The rest of your post relating to first causes is but nonsensical drivel. If you are concerned about the first cause of the Universe, the answer is "Nobody knows, not Atheist, not Theist, not Agnostic." You can state your belief that GOD created the universe, and I happen to agree, but it is only a belief. You can not prove GOD created the universe.Your last sentence: yet again conflates two different questions; whether or not Atheism is a belief system and whether all belief systems are religions."Quit moving the goalposts and try to stick to one question.

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You state: That is not at all what I said. I said: If you do not quit trying to change what people say my alterego will have to take action.

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Yes, I am AdminJar. No I am not threatening you. Yes I am warning you. And I will add yet another warning.Going back and editing a post after the fact to materially change it's context or meaning without clearly delinating the changes is yet another violation of forum guidelines.No one cares what your opinion is, you are free to express any opinion you wish, but failure to follow the rules WILL bring down a sanction.

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Yup. It has been noted. That is why I brought it up. You are now on record as having been told not to edit prior posts for content unless you also add a statement showing what was changed and why.Do not continue down that path.If you have any more comments related to this, take them to the approprite thread.

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I'm sorry but you are simply talking nonsense. Not one thing in your post has anything to do with the thread, they are also all equally wrong.No matter how you break it down, each small thing was an event governed by natural laws, caused by natural laws, resulting in events subject to natural laws.You are once again simply avoiding the fact that you have nothing to support your original post. Instead you are trying to yet again move the goal posts.You have failed miserably.

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Since we are near the end there is little left to be said about the OP, so I'll take a moment to ask you to consider what you just posted. If you are stone aged man, facing lightning, thunder, earthquakes, storms, rain, rainbows, desease, sudden death, accident and other mysterious happenings, which is more likely

• they will be attributed to natural forces?
• they will be attributed to some God?

Using the argument as you did is really pretty weak.

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Possible new thread. It's far more than would be possible in the time left here.

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