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Author Topic:   Commands from God and his general level of interaction in the modern age
joshua221 
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Message 11 of 56 (238089)
08-28-2005 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CK
08-28-2005 1:46 PM


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I think what I'm really trying to ask - is there a cut-off period in the bible where God no longer interacts directly with people ? (The coming of jesus?) Or is it never specifically stated?
I had asked myself the same question a couple years back, and while reading the Bible this summer at a basketball camp, somewhere in Acts, it said something about "a time when God did not directly interact" or something to that effect. I'll try to look it up, but with that said, that would mean that there are times when God is quiet, because of that verse. It is a few chapters before "Saul's Conversion". Sorry for the vagueness.
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If we accept that God is real - how do we determine if he gives direct commands to people? What if he commanded me to kill Gay people or people who did not respect the holy day. Am I a serial killer or obeying the will of the lord?
It's unrealistic, and these type of "what if" questions never seem to help me know God.

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joshua221 
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Message 12 of 56 (238091)
08-28-2005 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by coffee_addict
08-28-2005 3:47 PM


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You are walking in the park when you suddenly hear a voice in the sky telling you that you must buy a gun, go to New York city, and kill as many people as you can because it has become a sinful city. What do you do?
Someone raised his hand and answered that he would do it immediately because he trusts god with all his heart.
This guy happens to be the president of the christian student group on campus.
That guy is more of a man than me, I probably would have rebelled as a Jonah. That's amazing.
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That little comment by that guy made me aware just how scary christians are, knowing that they could turn and kill my family anytime they think god is commanding them to. It also made me realize just how idiotic christians are, not being able to question their own sanity. For all we know, the voice could have been part of our schizophrenic hallucinations, a possibility that the guy never considered.
If it was God, we would know. Your little insult tyrade against Christian people serves no purpose, my friend.
Why didn't you say anything? It seems like that man had a profound effect on you with that "little comment", why wouldn't you say what you said here, then?
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made me aware just how scary christians are
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It also made me realize just how idiotic christians are
You have taken college courses, and you still generalize as if you know nothing about the world. Nothing about people.
Safe Living, easy Living, No use for faith, no deep belief, living on logic. Your hearts are dead.

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joshua221 
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Message 16 of 56 (238100)
08-28-2005 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by John
08-28-2005 7:45 PM


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Well, that's the trick isn't it? How would you know? Intuition? That in itself is scary. I'm quite sure that every psycho-killer claiming direction from God (less those faking it hoping for a lesser sentence) 'knew' that it really was God talking.
Samuel knew. Moses knew. Isaiah knew. Mary knew.
It's really only someone touched by Christ can understand.
(waiting for the responses of the annoyed)

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joshua221 
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Message 34 of 56 (238137)
08-28-2005 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by coffee_addict
08-28-2005 8:48 PM


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First of all, I'm not your friend. I would never be friend with someone who hate rather than love. Secondly, it's not a tyrade. Consider it a first step to my vengence upon christianity.
I don't get it, what happened to you that made you believe Christians hate others, that I hate others, that Christians are all alike? How can you be so ignorant?
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Good for you. Continue and have your faith and hate. Sure, burning people because they're supposedly witches is suppose to be loving them, right? How about beating them to death and errecting a monument conmemorating their supposed entrance to hell?
People aren't perfect Lam, not even Christians...
I don't do those things. If I have shown you hate, I'm sorry.

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joshua221 
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Message 47 of 56 (238272)
08-29-2005 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by coffee_addict
08-28-2005 11:40 PM


History can't be used to generalize for people that believe in God today. I didn't take part in the Spanish Inquisition, I have killed no Indians. And I am Christian.
Christians are people, and people do these things, not because they believe in Jesus. The gospels show contrary views to a lot of Christians, especially the Christians on TV, and the Christians who exterminated people throughout history.
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The thing is if you do hate you probably either doesn't realize that it is hate or that you rationalize to yourself that it is not hate.
Who would I hate? Why would I hate others? I have no motives...
(You might be banned, try to respond later, I really want to know about what you think of me as a Christian.)

porteus@gmail.com

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joshua221 
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Message 49 of 56 (238418)
08-29-2005 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Nighttrain
08-29-2005 8:55 PM


Re: History
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You don`t get off the hook that easily, Prophex.
What you fail to realize, is that for me, the hook doesn't exist.
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Those Christ-killers through history were using the same dogma that captures you today. No essential re-writes took place in Scriptures to clean up Christianity.
Actually most of "those Christ-killers" interpreted what I have read to be totally different, forming it around their actions for justification.
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Religion bends the Scriptures to suit whatever suits its purpose.
You personify 'religion', PEOPLE bend the meanings.
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Another society? Teach them our superior ways and kill those who resist. Another religion? Kill them as pagans or infidels. Another Christian interpretation? Torture and kill the heretics. All in the name of love.
What do you think love means? I always thought it was a good thing. The people we are talking about didn't use love, or justify what they were doing with love, they used Greed, and became dehumanized. We already know our history, but you seem to target Christians, what about Nazis, or Capitalists, I mean, People do these things no matter what they believe in, thoughtout history.
What I believe in is simply beautiful, and has shown me to love, not to kill. So stop twisting Jesus.
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Still going on today.
PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF CHRISTIANS KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD TODAY
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When they eventually accept the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as the prime arbiter of human behavior, we might see a change, but I`m not holding my breath.
What are you talking about?
I know there are things wrong with the Christian community, but when hasn't there been since the time of Jesus?
Heres a human rights declaration that solves everthing. Matthew 22:38
"Love your neighbor as yourself" -Jesus
This is what should be followed, screw the declaration of human rights, this covers it all.

porteus@gmail.com

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joshua221 
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Message 54 of 56 (238608)
08-30-2005 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Nuggin
08-28-2005 11:36 PM


Re: The whole point of the thread...
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I would guess that if you authentically heard the voice of God, you wouldn't mistake it with schizophrenia, but the opposite is not necessarily true. That's very scary.
A command from God wouldn't be scary, gimme some evidence that God would tell me to kill people, or has before. I know in the OT there are moments, like Moses being a messenger for God's judgement, but I don't think you can find anything for me.

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joshua221 
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Message 55 of 56 (238610)
08-30-2005 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Nighttrain
08-30-2005 4:14 AM


Re: History
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we`re talking about religion in action.
You can't blame religion, the people that believe in a religion are to blame.
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or a Christian using 'smart bombs' that go astray and wipe out unarmed women and children
When? What did that Christian say after it happened?
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It`s the doctrine that enables killers to justify their actions. Whether a Jew blowing up a refugee camp, an Islamic terrorist taking out civilians on trains
Islam doesn't tell people to kill people, the 'terrorist' usually has motives relative to land, holy city occupation, or political opposition.
Provide me with real life examples please, stop with this pretending.

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