rampant curiosity--how do you waste time?

I'll accept those definitions.However, according to your source a couple of the signs of dependency are an increased tolerance and also abuse of alcohol, i.e. binge drinking or drinking to exess.Definitions aside, it is undeniable that many, many people use alcohol to avoid dealing with their problems.

ok, wow, that's quite a story.And that's quite the beautiful fish you've got there.

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psychology doesn't regard alcoholism as existing. it is only defined as alcohol abuse.

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So what is alcohol dependence?Definitions aside, it is undeniable that many, many people use alcohol to avoid dealing with their problems.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-28-2005 04:25 PM

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and i'm telling you that some people drink because they like drinking.

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I never claimed that everyone who drinks is a problem drinker.Most people are not problem drinkers. I myself drink wine quite frequently and mixed drinks every once in a while. I like the taste of certain alcoholic beverages, too.

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i'm not depressed or escaping my problems or angry or not contributing to society.

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Call me crazy, but to me you come across as angry, especially when you call people names and hurl insults as you so often do.When I said that it is undeniable that many people use alcohol to avoid dealing with their problems, I was not talking about you, specifically. Why do you think that everything I say is about you, personally?Listen, if I want to say saomething to you, I will. If I say something about "many people" it means that I am saying something about "many people".

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I'll just point out that these to statements do not in any way contradict one another. They could both be true, and probably both are true.

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So what's the argument here?

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See, that's what I thought was clear when I wrote that, but hey, that's just you and me.

Positively wierd, but beautiful and very cool!

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Alcohol is not the evil thing you seem to think it is for many people.

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There is a difference between someone having a drink or two with friends once or twice a week and someone saying that drinking (by themselves, almost daily) is their "hobby".