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Author Topic:   Near-death experiences and consciousness
jar
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Message 108 of 145 (264617)
11-30-2005 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by randman
11-30-2005 11:21 PM


Re: what misdirection?
we been over them son. Read it again.
also, please quit trying to change what I've said.
edited to fix spelling
This message has been edited by jar, 11-30-2005 10:23 PM

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jar
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Message 114 of 145 (264745)
12-01-2005 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Wounded King
12-01-2005 12:23 PM


Re: what misdirection?
The reference to the Sabom book was only anecdotal and did not say that the NDE happened when the EEG was flatlined.

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jar
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Message 116 of 145 (264855)
12-01-2005 6:02 PM
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12-01-2005 3:06 PM


Re: what misdirection?
I said it was anecdotal. To me it sounds more like a fairytale, twice told. I would certainly not call any such anedotal remark evidence or if included in evidence, of such low quality as to justify ignoring it. No details, no way to corroborate the story from the Lancet article, simply anecdote.

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jar
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Message 129 of 145 (265051)
12-02-2005 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by randman
12-02-2005 2:46 AM


Re: Light and Death
Obviously, Van Pommel feels the account is an excellent example of veridical perception while the brain is not active as details about the surgery were included.
I don't think anyone questions that point. What that does say though is that Van Pommel has a very low threshhold when it comes to what he is willing to consider as evidence and that he could not find anything that would approach even a minimal standard of what might be considered scientific evidence.
The report is, at the very least, a third hand account of an assertion wrapped in rumour.

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jar
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Message 135 of 145 (265111)
12-02-2005 5:54 PM
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12-02-2005 5:51 PM


Re: Light and Death
yeah, my fault
That's what happens when you don't always read back far enough

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