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Christian7
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Message 120 of 300 (264836)
12-01-2005 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bkelly
09-19-2005 7:56 PM


This is God's world. He did not have to come from anywhere. The where is his creation.

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Christian7
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Message 123 of 300 (265264)
12-03-2005 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by ramoss
12-02-2005 8:44 AM


It's like this. Let's say you imagine a world in your head, that is YOUR world. Now, that imagination can't just exist on it's own. A consciousness is required.

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Christian7
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Message 126 of 300 (265808)
12-05-2005 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by bkelly
12-03-2005 1:26 PM


For thoughts to be imagined in your head, of course, a consciousness must exist. For matter (atoms and the such), energy, and for worlds to exist, there is no need for anything thing other than the matter to exist. Matter and energy do not require a consciousness.
If you are certain that this is not true, tell us why.
Are you exempt from the container of reality that you should know that no conscious medium is required for existance?
I wasn't saying that we are an imagination. I was saying that God is the medium by which we exist and thus we cannot put that medium in a test tube. The universe exists because of the presence of God. I was also stating that this is God's world. The lord need not the universe to exist, the universe needs the lord to exist. This world is the lord's just as your imagination and your thinking is yours? Do you only exist within your imagination or do you exist and have an imagination that results from your own thought?
God is even beyond the fabric of spacetime so God is exempt from time and space. Now I don't know how he thinks or if he even thinks chronologically when he is not bound by space-time so don't ask me.
It seems to me that since God is aumni present accross space and real time that he exists for his purpose just as his purpose exists for him. For example, suppose that you are God and you purpose requires that you are 3 different conscious persons that all are one God. Since you would exist for eternity past, and since you need not think in order, why cannot the trinity exist for the eternal past if you want to be a trinity? Now, I am not saying that the son and the father are the same person, they are two different persons, but the son is in the father and the father is in the son and they are both in the holy spirit (I believe) and the holy spirit is in them both.
For example, let's say that you and crashfrog are one. Just for example. You would both be two different people, yet you would both have the same motives and would be in total mental union able to communicate with each other. Your thinking would be identical.
That's it I am writting a book on my theories of the trinity even if they have faults in them. I am sure that during the writting of my book I will be able to clear up any logical flaws that may hit me whilst I think.

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Christian7
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Message 127 of 300 (265809)
12-05-2005 4:13 PM
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12-03-2005 1:31 PM


Re: Questions not answered
I was suspended just as crashfrog is suspended now.

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