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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
prophex writes: I would bet you that the majority of scientists like what they do, and sacrifice nothing to earn a large income to study physics. As Ben hints, physics is not a field from which one earns much money. My own field (computer science) is filled with former physics majors who, having grown tired of living just above poverty level, use the math and computer skills they've gained from physics to finally make a good living. --Percy
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Agreed. "The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: We live in America, these sacrifices are those of the rich man, pains that when looked upon by those who have experienced much worse, are small and insignificant. "The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Show me statistics that show that the majority of scientists are not living well, and actually have to time to think about DNA extractions. The majority of science, something like 80%, goes on at academic institutions rather than private industry. The private industry doesn't actually do all that much research. The federal government does a little on its own but largely, just relies on the institutions to do it. A researcher working in academia would be lucky, I think, to pull down 40k a year, depending on their field and the institution in question. That would be after a decade of grueling poverty as an undergrad, grad, and post-doc, and probably another decade or two of near-poverty working towards tenure as an assistant or associate professor, working over 60 hours a week, every week. You really have no idea what it's like to work in the sciences, do you? The only thing worse is being married to someone working in the sciences.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
lol
"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Fact is, as much as there is room to complain about money, it's a heck of a lot better than most of the world's population.
Also, when I said physics, I meant to say physis. Which is greek for the physical world. To clear that up with percy, and stuff. "The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Fact is, as much as there is room to complain about money, it's a heck of a lot better than most of the world's population. Sure. But scienists as a whole aren't generally known for being a leisure class.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...writes the American kid who owns a computer (that his parents probably paid for), musical instruments (that his parents probably paid for), and is considering a college degree (that his parents will likely pay for) in Philosophy. Do you look good in green, because you'll probably want to get fitted for your Starbucks uniform now. It'll save you the trouble after graduation with that Philosophy degree. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-08-2006 04:47 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Amen, brother.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
I wasn't the one complaining was I?
Or pretending to have hardships that are unable to be handled? So your funny remarks had no basis. "The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But you are the one insulting the life of a scientist from a place of utter ignorance. You are the one saying that scientists don't work hard yet earn large incomes. Hey, if you get a PhD in Philosophy and become an academic, do I get to criticize you for doing nothing of real value and getting rich?
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
You aren't seeing it on a worldly scale.
What you say is difficult, really is nothing. I pointed out this semi-ignorance in your thinking, and I recieved personal criticisms.
quote: Ignorance is the inability to see truth. This is you right now. Saying that to be a scientist is hard, and takes sacrifice is ignorance, and a dishonor to anyone who has ever starved, or had to work harder, without anything in return. Which I assure you there is more than in the science community. I'm sorry, but I can see past your world of experience in college, and "real-world" science and academia. I see poverty, and humanity as a whole, you are not seeing that, well not that you aren't capable of seeing that, but that your lifestyle when criticised sort of hinders your ability to see what life really is, for most of the world's population. I may be young, but I know that in this instance, you are the ignorant one, and not I. We sort of made a big deal out of it, wanted the last word. "The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Leave your preconcieved, and concieved notions at the door.
"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1372 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Hey, if you get a PhD in Philosophy and become an academic, do I get to criticize you for doing nothing of real value and getting rich? well, that depends what your phd is in.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Saying that to be a scientist is hard, and takes sacrifice is ignorance, and a dishonor to anyone who has ever starved, or had to work harder, without anything in return. Um, scientists often do starve, to some degree, and they really get nothing in return except pride in their own accomplishments. And nobody who's really poor works for "nothing in return"; they don't have the luxury of volunteering. If it doesn't pay, they can't afford to do it. So it's not at all clear what you're talking about. Or rather, it's not clear what you're expecting us to understand from your staments aside from a furious backpedal from statements that were proven to you to be false.
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